Laura Kuenssberg

There will, of course, be this review into what happened to Henry Novak.

The police watchdog is looking at exactly what went wrong there.

We know the Conservatives are then calling for a separate independent rapid review, to use the terminology.

That would be something with a bit more meat content.

And just lastly, the family, and I've been talking to representatives of the family who have been very clear, they did not want this to blow up into an angry political row.

And that is what has happened.

But what they do want is a specific change in the law.

around Sikh ceremonial knives.

So as things stand, and you'll be more familiar with this than I am, but as things stand, I'm told section 47 of the 2019 piece of legislation exempts ceremonial knives from being classed as offensive weapons

The family want that to be changed so that large ceremonial knives would be covered by that legislation.

Can you see that happening?

I mean, should we actually in this conversation be talking about the prevalence of knife crime rather than the racial elements that have been raised by politicians?

And it's interesting, there was a very, what I thought was a very powerful letter from the CKMPs in Parliament.

All of the CKMPs in Parliament published this joint letter yesterday saying this is not about religion.

This is basically about a young man who has been murdered.

And they indicated a willingness to, you know, there is a debate about whether or not people could be allowed to carry the much smaller ceremonial knives.

The need for a large, there's a debate even about whether or not the size of knife like that could be regarded as a ceremonial weapon.

Danny, thank you very much indeed for coming in.

It's been really good to talk about these sensitive issues in a really calm way and with the benefit of your many years of experience.

Thank you.