Laura Perkes

And I guess that all comes into...

All happy and you're going to just constantly be kind of striving for the next thing because you don't know how you're meant to feel when you get to where you want to go.

Yeah, totally.

And it's interesting because I was an emcee at an event towards the end of last year.

You know, a lot of us, we go to events and there are some real like power players on stage and they're successful and they're multi six and seven figure business owners and they're talking about their journey, which is brilliant.

It's inspiring and it's empowering.

But also when you're sat there listening, it can make you feel slightly inferior.

And I remember saying towards the end of the event, I said, there are women in this room that you look up to, but there are also women in this room who are looking up to you.

Yeah, of course.

And it's an interesting that you've brought that up now because during that messy middle for me,

I was still showing up for the sake of showing up because I knew I had to still be seen by people.

I still had to be visible.

I wasn't selling anything because I didn't know what I was selling because I didn't know who I wanted to work with.

Equally, I can now share that as my story.

And that story is probably more relatable to people than me saying, oh, I've just secured a double page feature in Forbes for one of my clients.

Yeah.

You know, a hundred percent.

And this is why I love podcasts.

Like I've been a champion of podcasts for years for myself and my clients and

And I often say to people, don't think of PR as Forbes, the Daily Mail this morning.