Lea Ypi

Hvis du tenker på den gamle grekene, for eksempel, eller til og med Rom, så er det en frihet for samfunnet som fungerer veldig annerledes, og hvor meningen av individuelle valg er innen dette samfunnet.

Så det er en skjønnelse av friheten for samfunnet som tramser.

Hvis du tenker på Homer, eller de greke klassiske, hvor du har denne forståelsen av at individuell frihet ikke er der, det er mer frihet som er beskrevet innen et samfunn.

Jeg er glad at du spesifiserte det, for jeg tenkte først på Homer Simpson.

Yeah, I meant the Iliad.

And I think there is a sense in which there is, as I say, the choices of the person are tied with the choices of a collective or with the fate of that person that is overdetermined by...

the intervention of gods, or by the intervention of the community.

So I think this individual political freedom, this is a very modern idea.

So when you criticize this definition, it is not because you think it's not important to have these individual liberties and freedoms?

No, I think it's very important, and it's the source of the modern account of legitimation, which is, you know, the political authority gets its legitimacy for rights,

from a particular connection to individual agency and to individual freedom.

And so it's a move away in modern political thought.

It's a move away from the divine right of kings, for example.

So this idea that rulers rule because they rule in the name of God and we can ask no further questions about that, to an idea that they rule because they respect certain claims of the individuals.

Yeah, they have a freedom of contract, freedom of expression.

Exactly, they are subjected to their authority because this authority gives them certain rights in exchange for certain liberties.

Og så er det noe annet som du lenger til din far.

Den andre er en positiv ide om frihet.

Det er ikke frihet fra, men frihet til.

Der er det mer som frihet som en sammenheng.