Leah

There's more than two genders.

Well, Scott, my name's Leah. I'm from Austin. I grew up in Houston. I've lived in this city off and on since the early 80s. So, you think you've seen some shit. I've seen some shit. And also, I just want to let you know, Scott, you are on my list of future ex-husbands. Okay.

Anyway.

He works harder at it than I do. I guess. So I got a million questions.

One quick question. I want to make it quick. You and Ed talked about how this is Brexit 2.0. This is what we're going through in this country right now. This election we just had is kind of a Brexit 2.0. Like, we made a decision or somebody. I didn't make the decision. Somebody did. So how do we vocalize this?

How do we get active with people and really have them understand that we have shot ourselves in the foot? They think it's a good thing.

Okay.

Hi, I'm Dr. John. How are you?

You're correct. That is right. It is Lancaster.

Um, I am looking for how can I help my 17 year old son, um, build, build friendships and feel more connected. Um, especially after a tough divorce.

Um, he is, uh, well, 17. He's, uh, involved in sports. He works, um, he's active. Um, we've had a lot of ups and downs in the last, you know, four years, but, um, we're really, it seems like we're in a good place.

Um, I, it more like the, the says bad words gets mad at me. Um, more like I, I kind of took the, took the brunt of the, um, of a, divorce with a teenage boy that didn't know which parent to listen to. And, um, it took a lot of brunt of that over, over the last four years.

Um, but recently as, as, uh, when something hard comes up, so I knew that this, this might sound a little crazy, but, um, he came to me and said, all of my friends are sports betting. Uh, you know, their, their, their dads help them. And, um, I have no friends because I'm never allowed to do what everybody else is allowed to do. Um, I wasn't allowed to have Snapchat. I didn't have a phone.

I didn't have, you know, anything that anybody else has. And I'm on the outside again.

Um, I think it, it, it felt extra, it feels extra hard. Um, I think as a single mom going, I want him to have friends. I don't know why he, he does seem like he feels on the outside and I don't know if it's, uh, you know, he'd go to, I never, I was never invited to stuff. I'm always on the outside.

And, um, I guess I'm looking for, I don't know if it's more a situation of he's cause that, that kind of hits me right in the heart. I don't know if it's to get what he wants or if it is, um, that he really is on the outside and not connected. And I'm, um, How do I help? What's the best way for me to help him with that? Or can I?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was really, really ugly.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And at 17, I think I'm having a hard time with how much more independence do I give him while trying to guide him in these things. I want to do more stuff with him, but it's really hard with a 17-year-old. What do I do with him, or how do I help him?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

I can do that.

He's a junior.

And no matter how much I encourage college, actually, he wants to go right into working.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I tell him if I do my job, right, he'll move out and not have to come back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what he's looking at.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yep.

Please do.

Thanks.

That's it's actually, you know what? There were a lot more before that. It's actually, we're, we're, we're a lot better. It's getting a lot, a lot better.

Um, I think he sees it with some honesty and truth. So there's, we, um, generally just don't say anything, but most 17 year olds can't because he still knows half of me is him. Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah.

Hi, Dr. John. How are you?

Doing well. I just want to say thank you to your team so much for everything you guys do. You really impacted me a lot and I know so many others.

Yes, especially Kelly.

Is it worth the financial burden to move closer to family?

And I can give more context.

I feel like there's so much that goes into it. But basically, my husband and I have been married for a couple of years. We want to start a family soon. And we like the area that we're in now. But my family is hundreds of miles away in a higher cost living area that we don't necessarily like as much. But we would have so much more help with kids. And so...

It's just a lot because I don't know if it's better for me to sacrifice my own time so I would have to work more so I could afford it. But I also just hear constantly how difficult it is. And so it's just been going on in my mind. And my husband has the same thoughts of not knowing what's best for our family.

Yeah, I think it goes beyond that.

Um, I don't know. I think I love the area that I'm in again, but. Stop.

My family's awesome. Like, yes, they're, they're definitely not perfect, but I don't think there's these fundamental big issues that would prevent me from being around them.

Yes.

Yeah. Like I have no family like trauma or anything from my childhood that I can remember that would prevent me from moving. But I also feel like it's important for my husband and I to kind of have our own thing away from them and to grow without them. But also feeling on the other side that it's going to be way too difficult and it ruins marriages, having kids and all these things.

Yeah, so we've been here for a couple of years. And I would say we've made a ton of effort to make really great friends. And we do have a good community down here.

Okay. Okay. Yeah, because I feel like I've heard from you a couple of times, like a woman shouldn't be alone with a crying baby. And to me, I'm like, oh, well, I don't have my family here to help me. But it doesn't have to be family. You can be other people. But I think it's hard for me to ask for help. That's what I was going to ask you. Yeah.

It's like my family's the one group of people where I don't care what I'm asking them. Cause I, I know I would do anything for them, but I also would do anything for my friends here too. So I just need to get past that.

No.

Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you so much for providing this space to talk about really hard things.

And Jonathan, for your research and expertise to keep our kids safe, because I'm almost through with the book and I'm mind blown about everything that you've said. It's just so tough. And I'm honestly kicking myself as a mom for not checking my daughter's phone sooner, you know, but there were no red flags. I mean, she's a great student. She's involved in school and an athlete.

But my eyes were opened up in January after Christmas break when I got a call from the principal at school and she said there was a conversation on Snapchat that happened over holiday break. And, you know, I had no idea that these Snapchat conversations could be so mean-spirited.

And I was just mind-blown to see, you know, when I took her phone away and went through some of the stuff, I couldn't believe that, you know, people could be so vulgar. And when I say people, I mean... Kids her age, you know, we're talking 13 year olds, 14 year olds, you know, the profanity. I was blown away at just just the level of like, you know, hurt these kids give to one another.

So when I, yeah, so when I took her phone, I, you know, when I started taking a deep dive, I did find fake profiles on Facebook and Instagram. And, you know, from my perspective, it appeared to be that she was just trying to have fun or be funny. But what scared me most about those fake accounts is that I saw several messages from boys, older boys messaging her. And these are complete strangers.

Right. And that really like it was a gut punch. You know, I was scared. I was like, I'm not protecting my daughter enough. You know, when she's alone in her room and on her phone, I think she's safe. But it's quite the opposite. It's it's really scary.

Well, so I took away her phone. You know, she hasn't had it for a month, and I noticed a big difference in her. You know, I noticed she was paying attention to, as we were, you know, taking drives to go to volleyball practice, she was paying attention to her surroundings. And, you know, we watched movies more together. We went to the library. We're working out together.

So it was nice to do those real life things again, you know, instead of just being on our screens. But she's going to be in high school in the fall.

And so how do I set those healthy boundaries for her to kind of ease back into social media or allow her to be on social media so that she can feel included in this new space of new students and a new school, which I'm sure a lot of them will be on social media.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

How do you let go of your anxiety and still keep your edge?

Wow.

Yes, and I definitely can feel that buzz. That's something that was one of the first identifications for me, that anxiety buzz entirely for me was an indicator. As a child, I was never an anxious child. But as I got older, I started to realize a lot of things that Mel shared about other people's worries and concerns.

And that started to create a buzz in my own personal body about my own thoughts and my mindset. So I absolutely agree with that head conversation and not a heart conversation. Yeah. Yeah. What's your question? So my question for Mel, and thank you, Oprah, is how do you let go of your anxiety and still keep your edge and still keep your tenacity?

Absolutely. It changes the way that I feel in the moments that I'm experiencing. Yes. And here's another cool thing.

Absolutely. I definitely have a new thing to say every day when I wake up. Thank you.

Hi, thanks for taking my call. So, um, So I'm a single mom of one child. I make like $35,000 annually. I have no debt, no credit cards. I have an apartment. I have a 2014 Chevy. It's about to die. It's paid off, though. I'm a residential cleaner. I work like 20 hours, maybe a little more per week, part-time in school, long-term goals, med school. I'm in a co-parenting.

It's a high-conflict situation. I spent my last $5,000 on an attorney, and I'm going to be going back to court. Sorry. No, that's okay. And I am... Bottom line is I need to make more money while I'm going to school. I'm not really sure how. I have to get a used car because mine's breaking down.

And I'm not sure if I should invest some of the child support that I get for my daughter right now, like in a Roth IRA. I'm not sure how much. And I want to know what, with a little bit that I can save, like what can I invest and what should I invest? And I have no clue where to start. Sure, sure. Yeah.

Oh, go ahead. No, no, that's okay. So no, I do get school is paid for right now.

Um, well, no divorce, never got married, but it depends. I think this will be a forever. Um, I think it'll always be going back or at least for quite a few times, but, um, but I have full custody. Um, so that's good. And, um, how old's your child?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so I have a budget plan. Honestly, to be honest, I haven't really paid attention to it. And that's something that I... that I've been lacking consistency and discipline with. Um, so I know that and that's something I need, I need to change and I want to change. Um, you mentioned, I can go ahead.

Um, so I, as far as like saving, I'm not, I'm not really saving that much. I would say like I make around maybe 28,000 or sorry, 20, 2,800 a month.

Um, actually no.

Technically I get 44 a week, um, or 44 a month.

Yeah. Yep. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm supposed to be getting $44 a week. I apologize. But I am getting, I did just like arrange a new plan with him.

$44 in child support. $44 a week. A week, yep.

No, I'm getting like $170 in total. So that's just for through the state. That's on paper. I did arrange something with Dad in person, and we talked, and so I've been getting on top of the $44 weekly. Okay.

I have like $950. Okay. Nine 50. Okay. So my lawyer, my attorney has paid off.

And like I said, my car is paid off as well, but it's on its way out.

I have looked around. I'm not sure, like, making $35 a year, like, what I should spend. I don't know, like, 15% of that, maybe a little more.

Yeah. Okay.

We were going crazy.

You guessed it, and he doesn't laugh.

And, you know, grandma unintentionally intentionally did exactly what Tyler was trying to prevent from happening, which is like you're exposing your kids. You're exposing your daughter. You're making this happen.

Yeah. Put yourself first.

Can I ask how hard is that whole date like concealing your relationship for over a year?

Wait, what? Just the whole how Steven thing went about and the sleep test and the text messages. Oh, it was a huge lie.

They're disappointed by the idea that they made of me.

Sliding in the DMs a year later.

I also just want to say you looked absolutely stunning on your wedding day. Thank you. And I hope that it was it just looked really beautiful. It was the best day.

Do you feel like you were just going to go or do you feel like y'all were actively doing the work?

Yeah.

When do you think you realized you had an addiction to cocaine and alcohol?

Like you'd push this and it'd fall down?

Did you ever, with your brother, I know y'all weren't as close through your teenage years, did you reconnect at any point?

What's something that you loved about your brother?

That's really cool.

You were spotted with Maria from The Bachelor at TomTom.

I mean, it was reported that the two of you were spotted. Yeah, I...

Sorry, Maria. Okay, so debunked, not spotted with Maria at TomTom.

Okay, but you were spotted with Jesse from the Valley prior.

Do you think reality TV breaks relationships?

I think it was like, fuck stupid Kyle, fucking stupid Kyle Cook.

It was for reason that it was an edited TV show. I've never met him. It was not personal. It was what I watched on TV.

No, we do preface, you know, we recap a ton of shows. We preface them all by saying like, we don't know any of these people and we do reserve the right to be wrong about these people because we're talking about 45 minutes with commercials with all these other people that's edited by people who don't have necessarily your best interest in heart.

Some of them are scenes, some of them are bits, some of them are, you know, so it's like we acknowledge that and that I'm sure if I met Kyle, I would have a completely different

I am kind of shocked that you I feel like most people are the opposite, like because you aren't in charge of editing and like what gets out there. Do you not feel like your story is a little chopped and mixed? Like, you know, like I feel like people do like to do podcasts and longer formats because like, oh, this is where I can people can get to know me and I'm not edited. I'm not cut down.

Oh yeah.

It's not things shifted around. So it's interesting.

I mean, she said that at reunion.

smiling and really happy it wasn't that negative toxicity that you guys saw the previous year honestly for me you and lindsey feels like such a lifetime ago i feel like that season was forever ago and now obviously knowing that she has carried a baby given birth to a baby has a newborn i know what just the like longevity of what that feels like How did you find out she was pregnant?

Did you find out like on social media?

What was your, I mean, I'm sure you're going to give us the nice.

Have you met the baby? Have you seen the baby?

Paige and Craig. Whew.

You and Paige had a little moment season three, right?

Was some of that flirting with the new girl, Lexi?

We did have Wes on. I don't think Wes pitched a perfect game.

Wait, and all of them are in the house or it was like a pickup from a bar?

Pick up from the house.

Yeah, you're a baby compared to Nick.

Water blends.

When does it open in Brooklyn?

Thank you.

Carl, happy birthday to you. Yay!

Thank you.

We did get him a cake.

Oh yeah. All of like the set changes and stuff. Exactly.

Do you think you will always know your intention going into the day you broke up with her and she'll always have her perception and they'll always be different?

No judgment to whoever these drug dealers are, but I imagine these were people that weren't getting laid and they saw a handsome young man. I get what you're saying. No one's going to believe this because usually it's the other way around where men are the ones always trying to get some sex.

Yeah, again, when you're withdrawing. How did you turn a corner? What was the moment where you started realizing there's a huge problem and you started getting the help that you needed?

Dakota, welcome to the Vile Files. Yeah, thank you. How are you? I'm doing pretty good, dude. Okay. Yeah.

At this point, you're taking fentanyl, heroin, meth.

Well, we're excited to have you and to give you that opportunity. I want to go back like we were talking about before and just kind of get to know a little bit about your backstory, which I don't think we know a ton about. You've been open about your addictions, but are people fully aware of just how heavy addiction that period was and just the details of your substance abuse problem?

I also imagine there's a level of... I think most parents, and I don't know how your parents felt, and maybe you had conversations with them since, but I imagine there's a lot of parents out there who feel like they're good parents and they have a good kid and they just like, just wouldn't just never imagine their kid doing stuff like that.

So you, they almost take for granted, not, not to assign any blame, but like you just being diligent enough to know that like you, you always have to like assume these risks, you know, because once your kid like leaves the safety of your home, the world is, you know, has access to them.

The world doesn't have the same love and consideration for your kids out there and, and bad things can happen fast. And to, to just be mindful of that and, and, Not just as, you know, I think as parents, we want to assume, like, yeah, my kid's the best. They would never, and I raised them well, and it's like, it might not have anything to do with it.

Yeah, you assume. I mean, if you just hear your story, people are naturally going to assume that you came from the wrong side of the tracks, so to speak. Yeah.

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Yeah. So I guess if you're comfortable talking about it, like at its worst, what substances were you abusing?

Wow. And in, uh, rehab, did you, there's, isn't there like a drug that helps heroin addicts?

Was that when you relapsed?

Do you think that had something to do with it?

This might be a bad analogy because I don't know what it's like to be an addict. First time I got my heart broken, I didn't think I could get over it because I had never been in love before. And so like the things I told myself about love and my inability to get over it were based off the premise that I was like, I can't get over this because I had no playbook.

Second time I got my heart broken, I could argue it was more painful than the first time given the stakes. But what I knew, the only difference was, is like, I know I can beat this. Is that kind of similar to what you're describing?

Oh, yeah, just a follow-up to that is like, you've been sober for three years. Yeah. Have there been moments like how have you been pretty close?

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Let's start unpacking that.

How aware of your addiction was she? Or your struggle with addiction?

So just the fact that it's a domestic dispute and cops are being called, you're immediately... A thousand percent.

What started it?

When you ask that question now, are you able to answer it in a. Wait, which question? In the moment you were like, I don't know why you keep doing this.

I mean, I guess like, you know, the whole conversation we just had.

Well, I don't want to relate the past, as Nellie had mentioned. It sounds like it was a regrettable night.

For everyone. But that obviously wasn't the end of you two.

Right? And I think what I'd like to spend the rest of our time talking about, because Taylor's not here, and I hope someday to kind of have this conversation with her, maybe with the both of you together someday. But like, you know, watching you this season, season two. Like, I just, like, my heart breaks for both of you, right? Because I see love between the two of you.

You know? And now that you have a child together, being a new father myself, you know, Natalie and I, just like the family, like, we're so protective of our family. I think sometimes couples... can lose themselves being too protective of the family because you have a kid, it's about the kid and you want to keep the unit, but you still have to prioritize each other and keep the spark alive.

But that aside, you guys seem like you're torturing each other. And I, you know, from an outsider looking in, and there's way more I don't know about your guys' relationship than know. But yeah, my best guess is like, you're both at fault. You both torture each other. Yes. You both have moments of antagonizing the other person.

I don't know the full scale of what Taylor is suffering through, but she's opened up this season about her trauma with her father. Yeah. It's an incredibly sad story she told this season, the only time and the first time meeting her father.

You know, my wife has opened up about her father issues and just how demoralizing that can be to someone and the impact that can have on your entire childhood and just the trauma that can be. You obviously just opened up about your addiction and your trauma. So you both come from this place of extreme hurt and this place of extreme pain.

And I just want to focus on like, you know, like I guess before we get into it, like, do you think Taylor is your new drug of choice?

Like it's, and again, that might come back to the- When it feels like the way for you or appears that way in terms of like why me or so many people online like have asked you that question or presented that as a possibility.

And those things being what was shown season two in terms of you not coming... Fully clean with the early stages of your relationship and what seemed to be like a, I don't know, nowadays everyone's in these situationships and no one's defining things. And there's always like this gray area of like, we're dating, but we're not together.

We're exclusive, but we're not boyfriend and girlfriend and yada, yada, yada. Is that like kind of what your reasoning is for your initial decisions for why you forget about what you did or didn't tell Taylor? But I want to more focus on your actions of like the women that you were hanging out with, hooking up with.

Why were you in your, from your perspective, why were you doing what you were doing in that period of time?

I'm a big stickler when it comes to those things because, you know, there's just the world is full of people who say things like, I didn't tell you because I didn't want to be mad. And I'm sure that comes from a place of honesty. I don't doubt that you didn't want someone to be mad or people didn't want to be mad, but they presented it in a way that I was thinking of you. Yeah.

And what the truth is, you're not thinking of them. You're, you're thinking of yourself and how you don't want to put your, you don't want to get in trouble. You know, this way we didn't want to tell our parents why we did or didn't do this because you knew you'd get punished for it. So you didn't tell them.

As we sit here today, does Taylor know everything she needs to know about anything she would care to know? yeah taylor knows everything she needs to know right now and it's my understanding that it took a while to get there it took a very long time how many lies does taylor feel like you have told her in that process

And, and, and again, it's like, so can you, can you, I don't,

Is this like a season three situation?

Why? Because you want to protect?

I don't doubt that, you know, because like, you know, I've gotten to know Taylor and I find her incredibly charming and sweet and at the same time, I also like have a lot of empathy for her, but like, and by her own admission, she can be toxic. You know, she has a toxic side. I feel like if Taylor were sitting here, I could say that to her face and I feel like she could acknowledge that. Yeah.

Would you agree with that? That Taylor can be toxic and that she would acknowledge that? Yes.

And I don't doubt that, like I said, I think you've tortured each other.

And I don't know what you can't share and I want to respect that. But when you say, you know, I don't think a lot of people understand what Dakota's been through. Without knowing the detail, I'm going to give you that. I know like there's things that you've probably had to protect the people you love. There's probably context people are missing.

This is a show that you're on that are watched by women. This is a show that people are listening to that primarily has a women audience. Yeah. Listen, in 2025, I'm sure there are times that you and I, we could sit there and have, you know, get together and sometimes feel like maybe people don't understand our plight, that maybe we don't get the benefit of the doubt in situations, right?

And I wanna acknowledge all that and give you all that. But do you still think there are things, regardless of that, like, could you be holding yourself more accountable given whatever the challenges you guys have faced? And I guess what I'm saying, you know, maybe to give it some context.

Last week, Taylor was supposed to be here and supposed to be part of a group interview. She didn't show up. Right. I got the impression there was some drama between the two of you.

That ultimately led to that happening. And I'm sure Taylor is playing her role in it. I'm sure she is doing things that maybe isn't antagonizing you or getting you riled up and playing to your triggers. But I, I want to focus on.

Yeah.

I'm also getting the sense that you're doing the same. That you both at different times are still your own worst enemies. And there's these pivotal moments. Maybe she's missing you and she needs the comfort of Dakota. And maybe you're missing Taylor and you needed the comfort of Taylor. And you guys are giving in to your weaknesses of temptations.

A lot of this season where you guys, you're still hooking up and you guys say you're done. We've seen the photos from Stagecoach where you're looking at each other's faces. I'm like, they fucked that night. Yeah.

But man to man, I just like for someone who has the strength to lock themselves in a hotel room, being addicted to fentanyl and go through relapse. Why can't you do quote unquote the right thing? And because I sometimes I feel like the key to maybe you and Taylor being happy in the long run. is having the strength to say no to Taylor in the short run.

Even if Taylor is reaching out to you and saying, I want Dakota, maybe you have to be the person who says that's not healthy for us right now. And in addition to that, not have your moments of weaknesses where you're doing the exact same potentially when I'm getting the sense that maybe you do. Is this all fair?

Okay.

But then why can't you say no?

I guess her excuse was she wants to trust you. She wants to be with you. You heard her. She wishes she could be with you, but there's that part of her that every time she gives in to being around you, there's that voice that says you can't trust him. Men hurt you your whole life. From the moment you were born, you can't trust men. And you've done nothing to alleviate that fear or pain.

When do you want to start being the person?

What do you mean by that?

Yes. I also think she loves you. Yeah. I also think she wishes she could be with you.

I think she's clearly torn. I just... What I want for you is to find the strength to be whatever rock she needs and not allow her to use you as a trigger. And I think there's, from an outside looking in. Yeah, give me some advice on that. Well, it seems like you.

Well, I mean, you love her. From an outside. I mean, listen, I've been in those situations. We all have. I think everyone listening knows what it's like to be in that toxic relationship. You can't kick someone. You know they're not supposed to be together or something's wrong, but you can't get rid of each other. But again, you have faced harder times. You have survived near-death situations.

And it sounds like Taylor's really hurting right now in a lot of reasons. And again, you are a trigger for her. And it seems like you're a trigger for her more than she's a trigger for you. I don't doubt she triggers you, but she's been very honest about her relationship with men in general.

You're a man. Yes, I am. Thank you. And my wife has opened up to me about her issues. And so I take great pride and responsibility to know that while it's not my fault and while I wasn't there in times of trauma that she experienced, I have to hold myself to a higher standard and be there for her because of what has happened.

And I've accepted that challenge knowing when I met Natalie, she was pretty open pretty quickly about... Which he's been through, you know, and I could have been like, that's too much for me. And I don't bag it, you know, whatever. But I, you know, I couldn't just say, well, you deal with it on your own. I don't want any part of that.

It's like, you're, if you're going to be my wife, if I'm going to be your husband, if you're going to, if we're going to be a couple, I have to do whatever I can to not be that trigger, you know, even, and I, and I have my shit, you know, I've only dated women. Right. And so women have only, you know, when it comes to people who have caused me the most emotional pain in my life, it's women.

Yeah. But I can't use that as an excuse, especially with my wife who pain or not, like what Natalie has experienced through men, what I've experienced is nothing compared to that.

You know, and the childhood I've had. I've been compared to what Natalie was raised in is a night and day difference. And I want you to try to focus on being her rock, even if that means you can't have her in the way that you would like to have her. Does that make sense?

I think you need to start saying no.

See, I think that's the part, I think... And maybe that's where I'm being twisted. Yeah, well... I don't think it's your intention.

No, it's just more, what I'm hearing from you underneath it all is I need to be with her and we need to be in a relationship for me to be able to show her the type of partner I can be. And I'm suggesting you don't need to be. And I'm suggesting that, well, hey, like for better or worse, you two have, well, for better, you two have a kid together.

And regardless of what happens as a romantic couple, for the next 17 years, you guys will, I guess, be in each other's life to a certain extent. And you can still be a support system. You can be an example to her. You can be a great father to your son. You can be someone she can always count on.

Even if she doesn't. 100%. accept you back as a partner. And I think you are operating under this premise almost a little bit as a victim, and I don't doubt that you've been victimized in this relationship, and I think you both have. And I think you sometimes lead with your pain that has...

been caused by this relationship as opposed to just accepting the reality of this situation is that whether Taylor can, wants to be with you or not, she can't. Not in a healthy way. You know, she hasn't forgiven you yet. The wounds are too fresh.

And I think you... But she's, like you said, 98% of the time she's reaching out to you and you give in. You give in to the part of you that wants her back. And I get it. I've been there. What I'm suggesting to you is a very difficult task. Maybe as difficult as anything you've been through.

But I think if you can lock yourself in a hotel room and get clean, I think you can do the thing that I'm suggesting you might need to do to get the thing that you say you want to get.

Yeah, but I think you're old enough to know the difference. And I think you're old enough and mature enough to know that. And I'm sure she might even, in the heat of the moment, use it against you. She might even throw it in your face. I'm sure she has. But it's going to take someone being healthy with a healthy mindset. And I just get the sense, again, you have conquered some pretty dark demons.

And maybe you're just at a place... That she isn't yet.

And she might need you to be stronger than you're, you're giving yourself credit for.

So how bad do you want it?

I don't doubt it's a challenge. Yeah, it sucks. But late nights and some of the shenanigans that you guys seem to be doing, I don't know how much your son has to do with that part. Well, to be honest, sometimes I'm sure big picture. I get it.

You have the benefit of right now. Like now and I were talking about this, you know, we're connecting with our daughter in ways, you know, especially for me now, like now he's been connected with river since the moment she found out she was pregnant and it's different for dads. Right.

There's a lot of things right now River's not going to remember. You know, we're gone for two days. It's harder on us than it is on River.

You know, she's not going to remember us coming and going and things like that. Soon, your son is going to remember more things. So, like... I understand it's hard not to be around your son. And yeah, I mean, like I'm, I'm so grateful for what now and I have in this moment that I, I don't have to co-parent and I don't have to be, uh, her and I'm out running away from her.

The longest I've been away from her was three nights. Um, it's hard. It's brutal. It is. But, the good news is she won't like, she doesn't remember that now. You're yeah. You got to think about three or four years from now. And if you put the work in now.

Because like, you know, I get it. Right. But what you don't want to be five years from now,

yeah is looking back you want to look back if it doesn't if it doesn't work out with you and taylor you want to know that you did everything you could do yeah right and right now if you didn't change if you change nothing about what you're doing minus these past several days that you said you know you're really trying to put it in that effort but let's say you yeah goes back to whatever patterns you've been demonstrating you the two of you for the past say 11 months

what you're going to think is I, I, it was too hard.

Oh, I wish I was stronger. I wish I was this. I wish, I wish I, did more because right now you're saying it's too hard. It's like, I couldn't, it's all, but it's hard. And I, I want to be around my son and I get all that. But five years from now, you won't be saying that to yourself. You'll be wishing you had the strength and the guts to, to make the sacrifice in the short term.

Cause you'd be wondering how, if I would have done all those difficult things, if I would have said no to Taylor, if I would have just focused on being a good co-parent and being a good father and being the emotional strong person in our dynamic, what if? What would have that have changed? And you don't want to be that person.

This would be a great place to end it, but I do have to ask, and I hope I'm not triggering you, but we had Macy on the other day, and she is not a fan of yours.

Yeah, I get that impression too.

Taylor's her friend. She's, you know, a girl's girl. Macy's opened up about some of the men in her life and what they've done to her. So I imagine you can have empathy for that. And I think you're just a trigger, you know? And then you see, and then, you know, quite honestly, everything we just talked about, she is not going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

And she sees a person who's not doing everything he can do.

And she sees you playing a big part in this toxic relationship that you have with Taylor. Yeah.

The only part I would challenge you on is as I'm imagining you're thinking, I don't know why she hates me. I'm not doing anything to her and there's nothing I can do. She just hates me.

Be that person we just talked about.

Don't do it to get their approval. Don't do it to get them to like you. Just do it because five years from now, you don't want to have regrets. Yeah, and I really feel like the rest of it will play out.

I don't doubt that whatever Taylor does, they're not giving you the benefit. I don't doubt that. They're not looking to give you a pass.

Forget about what Taylor's done.

And I do think that's the part you are stuck on because she's, she has her side, right? She has shit she needs to work on, be accountable for, admit to things. Yeah. You are not the, you know, there are two sides of this story. You're half the problem.

She's I, I, and I think when, when, when, whether it's me right now or people in general coming down on you, your first defense is to kind of be like, I'm not the only bad guy in this situation.

Five years from now, just remember, you don't want to be like, it was too hard.

Dakota... Thanks for coming. First of all, I know, you know, and I do want to thank you because and I've said this a lot recently, especially covering the show and talking about you and all the women on the show. I don't think we appreciate all the things that you guys are willing to do for our entertainment.

You guys are talking about, you know, it's a fun show, it's a funny show, but you guys, whether you're talking about addiction, whether it's the women talking about some of the abuse they've incurred and everything in between, I really appreciate your guys' vulnerability and the vulnerability you showed today.

And I'm just, I'm rooting for you as a man to man, as a person, I'm rooting for you and Taylor, but I see the good in you guys. And I just really hope you guys reach your full potential.

Yeah, so I was high all the time. Did your parents start noticing a change in your behavior? Or employers started noticing a change in your behavior?

your pill addiction?

And at that point, like what is, if you remember, like what is your brain telling you? Because like for me, like I'm the kid. Yeah. Dare worked. Right. You know, I was like, yeah, I don't want to turn green, man. Like I'm, I'm, I didn't do drugs in high school.

So like, obviously you had a different mentality, you know, to me growing up, it's just like, you know, yeah, maybe kids smoke weed, maybe kids drink, whatever. Even the crazy kids might've tried cocaine, but then it's like heroin is like, yeah, don't that's that'll kill you. Yeah. Did it even like register what you were doing?

Well, as we said, we're very excited to have you, grateful to have you here. I was a little surprised when, and I'm assuming you know this, but I don't know if it was you or your team was more like, hey, Dakota wants to come on and talk, which I'm very grateful that we get a lot of people saying, hey, they want to share their story. Sometimes it's also us, especially when it comes to

Yeah, and then you have the SZA of it all where he was like holding her hand and kissing her hand on stage.

Haley was in the audience. She was recording. You know, I know that she is a huge fan of obviously the both of them. They've worked together on, you know, a couple of songs in their careers. But that... The way that Justin Bieber is around every other woman but his wife is alarming. The smile that lights up on his face when he is around any other woman but his wife is alarming.

Like, I have never seen him interact with Hailey publicly the way that he interacted with SZA on stage in front of millions of people.

You know what I'm really interested in? Jojo Siwa and Chris Hughes' relationship because they are together. I mean, they just are at this point. Like, they were photographed kissing.

Okay.

I mean, I think anyone posting a photo of a man's hand wrapped around your leg. Yeah.

And your discipline, because it's like you get out of your car every day. Do you want to grab the trash or do you want to leave it in there? Do you have the discipline to grab it and throw it in the trash can or are you going to leave it in there because you're a little lazy?

Nick still has the breast pump that I gave him to give you, Leah, that I never used in his trunk. Nick!

You know, she's feeling spicy. She's not crying. She's not upset. But she's loud. She's chitty. She's chitty-chatty. Chitty-chatty. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. She's chitty-chatty. She's going, hello to everyone who comes on the plane. She's babbling. Yeah. She's kind of, yeah, she's experimenting with her vocal range, some could say. Oh, she should. So they're still boarding the plane.

No, I love taking a roadie and a coffee mug. Yeah. With a lid, though, no? No. But I do bring it inside when I get back home.

I did read somewhere, though, that the messier you are, it just means that you're more creative.

Period. Oh, my God. Y'all love this. Y'all love this game. Where did you read that? I don't know. In your own notes app? Did you write it yourself? My therapist told me that. People who smoke weed are way smarter than anyone who doesn't smoke weed. People who don't do laundry are way more intelligent than people who do. It's like y'all are making shit up. So it gets me through the day.

You guys, we have to have something. People with messy cars are so creative. Yeah.

I feel bad for just the other grandparents in Kris Jenner's grandchildren's lives. Because you know that they don't look the same way that Kris Jenner does. So I feel like all of the kids are like, Grammy, Sally Lou's grandma doesn't look like you do. You know, like she's 80 and she looks 80.

No, who they go to school with, I would imagine. I don't think she hangs out with them, but like who these kids go to school with or if they go to their friend's house and they see a grand, you know, like that doesn't mean Kris Jenner's hanging out with them.

I've never seen that good of work before. Yeah. This was a plus. Yeah. She set the standard. Yeah. Before we move on from Jenner Kardashian land, though, I do need to give a quick round of applause to Kim for graduating law school.

What? No, she graduated law school after six years.

We've not left the gate. And I clocked the woman in front of me. Y'all know I love- I love an eavesdrop phone read, you know, on an airplane. I love it. And if you don't want people to read your phone, then you need to turn the brightness all the way down and you need to sit in a position where someone behind you could not read your phone. Yeah.

The Baby Bar is a first-year law student's exam required in California for students at unaccredited law schools or those studying law through alternative methods. Yeah. Whatever. Okay.

She is. Yeah. That's more than I did.

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Finally letting him on. He's been begging. He's been knocking down the door.

Yes. Is that real? Maybe.

You're asking for it.

Yeah.

You want everyone to read your text. You're showing it to me. You're she, she was showing it to me. So the woman in front of me who I thought honestly, like was going to be quite nice because we, we made an, we made an eye contact as we're, as we're boarding. Now I know that the eye contact was mean spirited. Oh, So I read on her phone. The first thing I see is 18 month old in business class.

And I think he even like mentioned to our doctor, like we've got this friend.

Oh, really? And we should reach out to her. Yeah. That day.

Like there's a lot of CVS's and the fact that we ended up at the same CVS at the same time after talking about you. That was remarkable.

And I'm like, oh, here we go. Locked in. You got me. Right. So now it's like all I can see. She goes to a different group chat and she starts typing to her friends. There's some young couple. Shout out, Nick.

No, you did. Yeah, you definitely. It was that was a tough moment for me. And I think you kind of were just like, there's nothing that I can say to you. And it was just like that comforting feeling of because I felt like people kept trying to say stuff to me. I was like, it's not helping. It's not helping. That's not helping.

And then for you to just be like, I can't say anything, honestly, like you just have to feel this. And it was like, oh, thank God. Yeah, you're right. Thank you for that.

Well, you now have three healthy baby boys. How is everything at home doing? Is it a madhouse?

There's some young couple behind me in business class with their around year old kid screaming up a storm. The kind of people who think it's cute. Then she proceeds with, they need to learn how to quiet their kid down. Excuse me? First spells their kid, T-H-E-R-E. So wrong there. Their kid down. And then says, the poor woman next to me is trying to work. Granted, we have not left the gate.

So you're trying to work, we haven't even left the gate, and you're already complaining? She's not Canadian.

It's like, do you want to try to quiet her down? Please, feel free. What's your tactic?

Yeah. It's like, do you have duct tape with you? I don't know. What do you want me to do? Have you ever talked to an 8-month-old?

Is there anyone from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives who you would want to see?

So as she's finishing her text, I lean up and tap her on the shoulder. And I said, it's T-H-E-I-R, their kid or not. Not that there.

So sometimes it's a little shocking to see.

This is, I mean, it's hard to say it's an edit when it's like just the things coming out of her mouth. You know, it's, it's like after Jen's apology video and her being like, I don't buy it. I was like, that was harsh.

she's like immediately like tries to hide her phone and she's like, are you reading my screen? And I said, are you texting about my kid? And she kind of like huffs and puffs and turns. And then she brings out her phone, same level, same brightness, same text size and starts going. She just confronted me about a spelling error. She's reading my text from behind me. LOL. I respect it.

Which I saw Brett responded to that and kind of said that all of the producers, I guess, had asked, like, what are we going to do for the finale? And all the women were kind of throwing out these like crazy ideas and all of them were kind of jokes, as Brett recalled. And so to me being like, oh, I should have this like alleged affair with

Dakota implying like we're all swingers, like maybe that would be so fun.

But I will say that pregnancy roulette was cruel. It was in episode nine where they all were in Louisiana and they all took pregnancy tests, two of them knowing they're pregnant. Layla was like, I have this fun game. It's pregnancy roulette. Demi's been so open about her fertility struggles. And Demi even says before they play the game, like, this feels cruel.

Like she just is continuing. Wait, so she was impressed.

Like, I don't know if I want to do this.

Because she hasn't seen a positive pregnancy test since her last child, and she's been wanting that so much. And so they play the game, and there's one, and she gets emotional, and then she pulls it, and it's pregnant on the one that she pulls. And it's like this... Michaela and Macy are the two... It's not hers. It's not hers. It's Michaela and Macy's who are pregnant.

She knew that You were reading it. So now she was like, I'm going to write nice things about her.

Just like an awful game to play with someone who's been so open about their struggles with getting pregnant to be like, oh, how funny would this be if you like pulled out a positive pregnancy test? Let's get your reaction. So that was hard. I was definitely teamed to me on that. That was a cruel game.

Yeah, her being like, there's been so many rumors about you, like that one that you cheat on your first wife, the one that you were like a drug addict and you went to rehab, the one about you.

It's hard to watch some of the things.

Yeah, you don't make it. You take the fun out of it.

Oh, I wanted River to scream and cry and be so loud on this slide, but our perfect angel baby daughter... Slept the whole way. Slept the whole way.

So she was also mad about nothing. Gave her nothing to complain about. Oh, man. No, she was... You know she was pissed.

Because the person responded to her initial text being like, whenever she was like the 18-month-old in business class, responded being like, I'm sure they're tired of sitting. And she responds with, we just got on. So it was like, if your friends... Oh, so her friend was trying to calm... Being like, oh, I'm sure the poor baby's just tired of sitting.

Truly. There's a lot.

And she's like, no, no, we just got on the flight.

It's like we stopped complaining about babies crying on airplanes or making noises on airplanes years ago. Like, if you are entitled to your child-free life, but you are not entitled to a child-free environment, and to think you have the, like, privilege to be, like, children in business class making noise. How dare they?

The best payback, though, is that River was an angel. Yeah. And absolutely made her look great.

We'll just cut out everything we talked about in the beginning.

And also, she's stupid. Sorry, she doesn't know how to spell. She doesn't know which they're there and they are. She doesn't know the difference. Yeah, if you're going to hate me with correct grammar.

I mean, we have Demi yelling at Taylor's mom, which that was just a crazy scene to watch.

I mean, OK, I will say Leanne showing up. Yeah. Like, you know, I would never fight Rivers battles as much as like, I mean, when she's old enough to fight them herself. Obviously, I was going to say they're there. Yeah. Yeah. The plane. No, when she's able to fight her own battle, she will fight her own battles.

But them doing the flashback to like, yeah, her calling Whitney and being like, why aren't you at Taylor's baby shower? And then, yeah, her showing up with the gift and then sitting there to like argue back and forth with Demi. It's like Taylor and Demi have never been that close of friends. Like, I don't think it was worth it for Leanne to get into it with Demi. Yeah.

I think it, I mean, it only made Demi look worse. So maybe that was their goal.

I think this is what it is. I think that in order to feel like she's Queen Bee, there always needs to be a common enemy. And so season one, it was Whitney. But now Whitney has come back and she's being like so chill. So it's hard to continue... putting Whitney in that role. Jen has kind of backed out because of her mental health.

But even then, Demi tried to, you know, be like, I don't buy it when she sent that video. But now it's like, okay, who else is there left to make common enemy number one? And it's Taylor because Taylor is, you know, has... all the drama with Dakota and is messy. And it's like, but people aren't backing her this time. And she's just confused.

But every time she got up to go to the bathroom, she would like kind of try to look at me and I would just give her the meanest mean mug with my sleeping baby sprawled across my body. And it was just like,

Well, I think even Layla is catching on.

Yeah, Layla's even catching on to it. And it's like Layla's so scared of Demi, but it's like in a battle between Demi and Taylor, it's like I'm switching sides.

I'm going to Taylor. I'm jumping off this ship as it's sinking.

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So funny enough, this actually happened to me this morning where I was on a hike with my friend and they also have a baby. Their baby is, I think, just turned one. So their baby just turned one. Louie is about to be 10 months. And we were on this hike and this woman with a golden retriever like quickly passes by us and is just like, I'm just trying to get to the quiet.

I believe Macy in all situations. Like, if any of these women are up against Macy, I believe Macy.

But I am confused. Like why? I mean, I'm not confused. I get it. But I'm like, Michaela is really holding strong to the fact that she will never be friends or forgive Whitney. I respect it.

No, you'd be indifferent.

It's more, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, and then there was the whole CMAs drama, which we saw play out in real time. And then we saw Natalie, Justin, and Sierra on the show, episode eight. And I'm not bitter about it.

I think I was on maternity leave. Yeah, that's true. It was a little jump scare.

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And I'm like, girl, you're outside trying to get to the quiet. Our babies were not even. Ma'am, go to the library. They were not even crying. They were literally just like that. Like cute. Yeah. Whatever. And also we're outside on a hike. So then my friend was like something. No, but my friend did. He was like, OK. That's not even a real golden retriever.

I don't know. Erica's hot.

Oh, my God. That's really funny. I haven't seen that, but that's really funny.

Well, what about in the finale when Jessie was flirting with all those women in the kitchen, and then she was like, I just don't want Lexi to see this. She went in there and swept him out.

Yeah.

I don't know. I like Sierra. I like Sierra too. I think that she could have been.

I like her too. I do.

could have been more like girls girl energy between her and lexi but i also think that and lexi acknowledges the fact that like she was pretty swept up with jesse and wasn't making an effort with the girls the way that she would have which honestly like thinking about it would would also rub me the wrong way of like this new girl comes into her house and then like gets involved with one of the guys so we hate her for it no not hate her but it's like it's like

It could look to them too. Like Lexi came in and wanted a storyline. And so she clung to Jesse and it's like, she didn't want to open herself to get to know us.

as sympathetic maybe for Lexi also because it's Jesse and they have that relationship like she's probably having complicated feelings of like here we go again but that's what I'm saying that's not a isn't that how's that a girl's girl then well she's also not talking to Lexi and she's only hearing from Jesse that Lexi is like really jealous and doesn't like that she's hanging out with Jesse so much and so to her it's like she's only getting his side which is you know which she did come in as like Amanda's friend and yeah Lexi did

Yeah, I know. And it felt like we never once really saw Lexi and Amanda in the same room together. Yeah.

No, I agree with you that they could have been better friends to Lexi 100%. I also, though, see their side where it's like this girl's coming in. And in Lexi's defense, she came in with two other newbies that were basically cut out of the entire season. So she was really on an island alone.

That's kind of how I felt about the whole season, where it was, like, everybody feels like they're kind of... They didn't have any drama going on, right? Like... Carl and Lindsay, like Lindsay just kept kind of poking at Carl, but he was just like, I'm not doing this. Like I'm focusing on soft bar. And then Kyle and Amanda started to kind of have something, but then that didn't go anywhere.

Yeah, that dog did nothing wrong.

It does seem like from the reunion trailer that that might continue and get juicier, but like Paige and Craig doesn't happen until cameras pick back up. So really the Jesse, Sierra, Lexi storyline was the only drama that we had in this entire season.

I don't know.

My friend is also like a weirdo.

Because you know that woman is the type of woman who like would take that so seriously.

But he struck a nerve.

I think that all three of them have things that they could have done better. I think that Lexi could have opened herself up more and hung out with the girls more and talked to them more because all Sierra's hearing the whole season is Jesse's side and not Lexi's side. And I think that Jesse did keep Lexi away from the other girls, but I think Lexi also kept Lexi away from the other girls.

I think Sierra could have been less flirty with Jesse and a little more of a girl's girl to Lexi. And I think Jesse overall just could have been better. Yeah. I agree with you.

He struck a nerve. Okay. He was just like... That's not even a real golden. And she turns around and she's like, actually, it is a real golden. It's a field golden retriever. And he's like, okay, sure.

Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair.

Craig is absolutely lying about the ring. He's totally lying about the ring. Because then even on Watch What Happens Live, didn't Andy say that Craig said that he had just returned it? It's like, oh, so convenient that you just returned it so you can't show me the ring.

Have you guys had poutine yet? No.

Yeah. did you guys see this? So do you remember, what do you remember that in like, I think it was the mid season teaser and the mid season trailer. We were going to see a page talking about how Craig like was talking to other women, texting other women. That wasn't,

It was really funny. And then we like couldn't escape her because we kept catching up and it was just, it was funny.

things like that i remember being a kid and thinking who are those people how how do you become such a miserable fucking person and then you you grow up and you realize those people actually exist yeah it's kind of fascinating yeah i um i witnessed a man cussing at his children at the park and i ran over there and was like that's enough and then his poor kids like looked so scared and i was like do you know this man they were like yeah and i was like you can't talk to them like this

And he like got on his bike and was like, we're leaving. And everyone rode off. But I definitely insert myself in people's business a little too much when I think something's wrong. Sorry, I stand up for what's right. You do.

Mama Bear.

Thursday, we have Danny and Nia from the Valley.

And we also have Chris Clemons. Period. Love that guy.

Yeah.

Well, let me know when you do. But I did have a fight with a lady on the airplane. Ooh. Let's hear it. I saw this on your story. I need to hear more. Spill.

I feel like Janet is the person on the plane who hates babies. Yes.

I agree. Honestly, that woman kind of was giving a little Janet energy. Yeah. I don't know. I would like to think that maybe having a kid softened her, but it doesn't seem like it really quite has.

you know yeah that's how janet reads to me have y'all been seeing what justin bieber is is what's going on in the justin bieber hayley bieber camp of it all yes because it will not go away i see it everywhere i open instagram it's there i open tiktok it's there and i can't look it's partially my fault because i can't look away but like and i've always been on the side of like

Protect Haley, Justin, let's leave them alone. Like all of this outside nonsense is so annoying. Blah, blah, blah, whatever. But the recent stuff that's been that just the caption under her Vogue cover.

Shall we read it? Dramatic read.

OK. Yes. And then but then going into his performance with SZA. So but starting with Haley got the cover of American Vogue, which that is like just the hardest thing. It's what any model could have ever dreamt of in their entire life is like American Vogue cover. And he posts her cover. And he says, yo, this reminds me when Haley and I got into a huge fight.

I'm setting the stage. So we were leaving LAX, flying into Vancouver, and we were, you know, running a little late.

I told Hales that she would never be on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know, so mean. For some reason, because I felt so disrespected, I thought I got to get even. I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even. We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection.

So baby, you already know, but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a Vogue cover because clearly I was sadly mistaken.

But then he deleted it and changed the caption to just a bunch of emojis. Cryptic emojis. Just random emojis.

Yes. It's like you knew, like this is a massive moment for Haley. And then to like, you know that this will make headlines. You know that this is like not a supportive caption.

A hundred. He's been in this industry for so long. If he doesn't, then he needs to like... Hand over the password. Have a better team around him.

What I was thinking at first was just like, OK, this is his humor. This is their relationship. Like they clearly they clearly have this like fun little jokey relationship. Right. But then it's like the public perception about their relationship is that he hates her. That's what most people are like speculating. And so it's like you're just feeding into it by putting a caption up like this.

It's like it's fine if that's your relationship. But like, careful.

I don't know, but yeah, I would never give the like specifics. Like people say crazy things when they're mad and like, For him to have given the specific words he said to her, like, and it's because I felt disrespected and I had to get even. So then everyone's being like, well, why'd you feel disrespected? What did Haley do to you?

Like, you're just opening it up to so many more conversations that aren't about Haley on the cover of Vogue.

So we were not sitting in front of our gate because there were no seats. So me, my mom, River, and Nick were all sitting at a different gate. And whenever we arrived back, they were already boarding like zone four or something. So we quickly jumped in line. We were like the last people to sit in business class. Everyone else had already sat. We sit down and River's in a mood where she's talkative.

it's giving like you make it big you're accepting your oscar or whatever and you're like that one professor back in college said i'd never make it and look at where i am so fuck you to that professor or or like thank you to that professor for lighting the you know the fire under my ass but it's like in this situation justin bieber is the professor and he's her husband

Oh, yeah.

You're like, I don't care who he's dating.

Oh, I did.

I'm not ashamed to hear it.

It was called The Coop.

I played like a hot, like,

I'm like, why is that the first thing we're using?

Thank you.

And maybe so.

Clearly.

Did I not say I don't think?

Oh!

I buzzed it.

Is that a bald spot?

I wasn't. I was just. I want to respect your.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to guess.

You're sneaking. Yeah, it's a fake.

This is giving... Plagiarized prayer? Yeah, this is giving theology with Rachel's name put in.

He reminds me of Frank Booth from the David Lynch movie Blue Velvet. And the girls that'll get it will get it. You ever seen Blue Velvet, the David Lynch movie? No. You wouldn't like it. But he reminds me of Frank Booth.

That is a creative writing piece. That is not jargon.

She's such a loser.

You just do.

oh it's like you can blake could be everything people say about her and that still does not mean that she should be harassed like you can be you can don't like blake yeah you can hate blake and think she's a shitty person and think she sucks and think she's like all of these things and whatever and that still does not mean that it didn't negate that

Yeah, it does not negate, like, you can be a shitty person and still, like, not deserve to have things happen to you.

Yeah, she's not a perfect victim.

Yeah, nobody deserves it.

Misogyny. It's misogyny. Yeah, it's just stupid.

Also, that looks like, I could be wrong, but judging by how LAX looks, that looks like post-security.

High-speed railway systems. Yeah.

You want to talk about an ally? Talk about selfless. Flavor Flav. Right? he really is like taking care of the common man yeah and also so hip to what's going on on the internet he is yeah oh my god when he met Paul Simon that was a very beautiful day for me it was really cute

Nick calls me Pokey all the time. When I was little, my family used to call me Sid the Sloth because I would... You look Pokey. What? I don't even know what that's referring to. Saying you walk slow.

I was trying to help you roller skate. I know. And it was not. I was just like, oh, you're going backwards. And I'm literally grasping the wall for my life. Sorry. He's going backwards on one foot.

It would make you feel something.

Yeah.

Way to do all those push-ups. Congratulations, two peaches. Father God just told me you look hot as fuck.

Yeah, it's giving crush.

I don't know.

I was so confused.

Whitney really made me laugh in this episode, though. Just him, like just his personality of just not wanting to be there and then just being snarky the whole time did make me giggle. And the fact that I was kind of bored the whole episode.

Yeah.

Yeah. He was like, well, I'm so happy I'm here tonight.

Sally.

Sally's boyfriend. Oh, Sally's boyfriend. I thought I understood the situation. And then as I kept watching it, I was like, I think I have all these people backwards. I'm so confused. They're all blonde.

Like, yeah. Yeah. I don't think I fully realized who Sally was because she is blonde hair show, brown hair interview. It is very confusing. Really confusing for me. Yeah, that's all.

I mean. Broken up. Messy, messy, messy, messy.

You could. White Lotus season four?

Whitney won. Whitney went the distance.

I heard that Sean does circle jerks. How does that feel?

It was Heather's game.

She doesn't listen because her ears are stitched down to her face so tight she can't hear anything. She wears a hot dog outfit to remind us she sucked her way to the top.

Justin.

She is.

She is typing. She's like the Club Chalamet of the housewives.

About Mary was, I would like to invite Bronwyn over to tea instead of Mary tomorrow.

Yeah. She can't stand Brittany. Maybe it was intentional to... I mean, because this is obviously produced. Maybe they kind of told the girls who to read about who. You know?

I just, one thing I can't get out of my head, the earworm of Bronwyn's text to Britney reading, Britney is emotional manipulative. It's so funny. She's emotional manipulative.

Which.

Yes.

But Whitney then called out Meredith for also talking to this blogger.

they if they're lions they would have just destroyed her like mob mentality oh my god it's vicious don't show one ounce of weakness in this group or we attack one thing that also in all the drama did get looked over is um angie likes to call tits chicharrones or chichis testicles well it's mexican fried pork yeah yeah and i can't stop thinking about that what is the best word for boobs

I like titties. If you're asking me. Tatas. Tatas. Bazongas.

Like, what were you doing at 4 a.m.? Also, the conversation with her and Heather of Heather being like, I don't understand why you were mad at me. And then Meredith being like, yeah, well, I was. And then Heather being like, well, okay. And then Meredith being like, I accept your apology. Weirdos. Who was the best Lisa?

Well, it's because Whitney was going to be the fakest, phoniest, cattiest, materialistic bitch she could be.

yeah said you changed my life for the better and I was like okay I see you differently than everyone else I cried I'm not gonna lie I shed a tear it made me emotional they said I love you yeah maybe she made me cry but she didn't make me cry this one

I think he did.

He probably thought he did. He said it with conviction. Well, I knew it wasn't Zoe. Yeah.

Yeah, it'll be me if it's not Juliana. It's definitely Juliana.

And the instructor's just like, shh, shh. It's like, it's not me. It's not me, babe. And she hates yoga, too. Wow.

She was.

No disrespect to the winner?

I think Grant's been a great Bachelor, to be honest. I've really enjoyed watching him. I think he's very personable with all the ladies. And I haven't had one moment where I'm like, fuck this guy. And usually there's one moment in a Bachelor season where I'm like, fuck this guy.

But Jesse Palmer was like, I need to bring Jesse Palmer.

And the attorney's statement is, my clients are well-respected professionals with a long history in this business. They are frankly stunned and saddened by some of the things they are hearing now for the first time.

I'm like, how do they choose the next king of the king of the throne?

She's still unmarried to Madison.

Okay, wait. So on the cut down that we made of Carolyn talking about Tom Sandoval and how She feels like she's the female version of him. She commented yesterday saying, I take everything I said about Tom back. He sucks and he's not forgiven despite what the online version US Weekly cover says with a dancing emoji.

That's all she said.

We might need to reach out and see what could have possibly happened over the weekend that she felt so inclined to comment that.

I know.

Like, I feel good about it. It's so nice. It's like your mess is your mess.

Exactly.

love her.

No way. Leslie Bibb.

I do. I've been reading from them from day one. I was like, yeah, cry together.

My ex cheated on me. You know, it affects people differently. She's still healing.

I was going to say, Ashley saw her boyfriend full on cheating on her, and she was like, this is just all the proof I needed. Like, not even, like, a freak out, not a tear doubt. She was just like, nope, I knew it. Piece of shit.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah. He was waiting to Ken busted out.

Seriously.

I'm like, let me go check on that.

My apartment's flooded.

You can't hold it in those situations. Or is this like bonding?

Why would you platform someone's personal address? I have no idea and I've never understood it.

Yeah. They knew that Brittany moved out of her house based off of a selfie of the mirror in the background, knowing that it wasn't the same house that she like. It's that scary. Yeah, it's really scary. But she like boundaries people.

Two days ago.

Her husband does fly out here throughout the week because he's a firefighter. Oh, he is? Yeah, that's the whole thing where when Paige and Craig and Madison would not always talk, the chief was saying that they were a bi-coastal relationship because he has to fly out here for work.

He's like a higher up. I don't know that he's actually suiting up, but I know that he has to come here for whatever to manage his department. Oh, interesting.

So she could be.

That I agree with, too. So it's a little strange. She could be trolling.

Yeah.

Those apartments get scarier as they get older alone.

Yeah.

Is that your bed in the corner? Is that your mattress in the corner of the room?

Wait, what?

And then Natalie got rid of it as soon as she moved in.

Oh, Art's Tom in the Tom, Kristen, Jax, Ariana couch.

Like what crafts are you getting into?

Duh. Not watercolor? I didn't know. Acrylics?

You guys have a ghost moment?

I believe you. That's why I'm asking what's in an art studio. What kind of stuff do you paint?

You haven't painted since you were living in Venice.

I was like, even the barber call wasn't that convincing.

That I don't know, but I know that Vanita did share on the after show that that scene in maybe the second or third episode where they're shopping together and she's like, oh, you look yummy. That like she actually spent five thousand dollars on him that day. And it's just kind of one of those things where it's like that's not something your best friend does. Like that's something that like.

Vanita, yeah, Vanita got on Southern Turnout after show and said that she spent $5,000. She's like, that's not something that a best friend does.

But I'm like, that says to me that she thought she was investing in her future partner, not like, oh, you know what? I think you would really like, you look so good in this. Throw it away. Why not?

you know what, she's very much like Southern values and trying to be like a put together Southern woman. And I love that for her, but I'm like, yeah, it couldn't be me. I would be like exposing this man left and right. And she's still trying to see the good in him.

I mean, yeah, but it's also like for me, like in defensive page, I'm just like, can we just sit down and have dinner? Like it's just like every day they go to the farm, they go look at bees and somehow it ends up in this like very serious or like conversation of like your career, you're moving forward. I want to settle down. And she's like, can we just have dinner?

I know I'm fully aware. But what I'm saying is that Craig can't sit here and be like, oh, man, that was mean or whatever, where I'm just like, you started this conversation.

I mean, she's definitely checking out of this relationship in the process.

It's unfortunate because I'm like, but I just understand her when she's just like, I never want to live a slow life that I'm like, yeah, then you guys need to break up.

I think it'd be interesting to wonder if their relationship would have been different if, like, Craig was willing to, like, raise kids in New York, where it seems like Paige was not willing to raise kids in Charleston to her.

That's you. I trust my grandma's opinion. My mom passed away. So therefore, that's why I'm using my grandma. But I would trust my grandma's opinion before I trust Connor's opinion. He's never had a baby. She's watched two of them go.

And to your point, I think if we're speaking in hypotheticals, I think you would have broken up with her if you were if you were in Craig's position. I think you would have broken up with her last season of Summer House when she when they were talking about taking the next step and she started crying, saying, I can't move and live away from my mom.

So I'm just like, I think it's like different strokes for different folks. Like, to me, I'm like, I understand it. If that's all you know, and that's your security by all means. But I'm like, depending upon what you're looking for in a partner, Craig's very aware that she's very codependent on her mom and he chose.

I think, I think their relationship expanded a lot of the options that he has and that he's gotten out of Charleston.

I mean, I wouldn't say like involved, but yeah, if I have an issue, I would talk to my grandma before I would talk to like a friend.

I take my grandma's opinion at very high value. I'm just a woman. I'm sorry. The reason why I'm still alive is because she's advised me.

That's too far. But I'm like, yeah, if my grandma had concerns about it, I'd be like, what do you see?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you see? But yeah, I wouldn't be like, oh, final decision is made.

rose-colored glasses like it may be her mom like you know if she's that connected with her mom it just might be her mom like i don't know it might revisionist history all i'm saying if page's success at this point is due to taking advice from her mom i'd take advice from her mom too yeah page's mom can you come help me out give me some advice you seem smart in a relationship yuck

Like, the,

there's that and it's just like when why is this your business I'm like I actually respect Lindsay being like I want to keep things separate because listen this happened I'm happy about it but I don't feel the need to do everything by the book because what if in eight months from now we move in with each other and the shit that happened with Carl last season I don't need a repeat exactly she was she was blinded by a uh ended engagement you think she's gonna like throw all of her eggs in one basket at six months it's like no I kind of

She did say he's over every night of the week. So it's just like the whole, let's not get rid of our apartments. Let's not make anything too permanent because what if you change your mind?

Well, co-parenting, though, is a little bit different nowadays. So it's like if he's signing up for that, he knows what he's getting himself into. You guys are having a baby together. That's not going to change. But, like, there may be a sense where, like, you shouldn't be together just because you're trying to make it work for the kid. Like, they're still getting to know each other.

I just thought it was hysterical when Paige said, I found him funny and I laughed. And then I told him, if you tell Sierra, I'll kill you. And then Sierra's like, I will kill you. I mean, I will give Wes that. He is funny.

Free Tupperware.

Jesse and Lexi. Which one should be running for the hills? Or do we think that this is going to work out for them? It's just not. It's going to crash and burn.

Yeah. I mean, and to be fair, they are not official. He has a month to decide.

Yeah. It looks like Jesse's gonna lay it on thick for fun and it's gonna make Lexi very uncomfortable.

She's not doing anything. Jesse's the one coming in and being like, oh, you're so hot. Do you have a friend crush on me? Like, oh, I might have a friend crush on you.

That's what I'm saying. She's playing into it, but so did Paige and everybody else.

Which is so confusing. It was, by the way, by the way, and I love you.

Multiple times. It was like in the morning and I was like, oh my gosh, no, my girl.

No, because you know what?

Right.

No, she was adorable.

Leah thinks Craig's milking it.

100%.

Just to Amanda and Lindsay.

Molly has a crush on Shep. Yeah. So badly.

Next season, next episode.

Was he not broken by Taylor and BravoCon and his friends and the drinking? Did that not break him enough?

I mean, it's just another, to me, that just reads as another instance to make it harder for victims to, like... Get protection? Get protection.

Yeah, doesn't he?

Kyle Chan's one of the best friends.

I don't know if I need another Tom Sandoval. I don't think he would like me very much.

Broke bitch, I'm sure.

I object.

Petition the court for my girlfriend to shut the hell up.

Meteor.

I would prefer asteroid to drone.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think you understand. Anytime Selena Gomez is the queen of literally doing nothing and then everyone being like, you're awful. We hate you.

I will defend Selena Gomez until the day I die.

Super secret idea of a famous diamond.

Unique, but cute.

You're just jealous that she's on a show with Martin Short and Steve Martin and gets to hang out with Martin Short and Meryl Streep. And they're all probably going to be at their wedding.

And that's why you're jealous. And I've even forgiven Selena Gomez for being in a show with my two favorite old men. And if I can do that, then you guys can shut the fuck up.

I'm a marquee diamond. I'm a marquee diamond. To be mad at Selena Gomez is such loser behavior.

She's just like me. She is just like you. Do y'all work together?

What happened? We did, you know, 50-50. Steelers lost.

Yeah, but I just really wanted emotional support in that moment, and obviously I needed it. So, sorry, but thank you for the support. Of course.

No. They didn't do well at all.

Pour a little salt on that wound. I was rooting for them.

Yeah, you don't want any NFC team to win.

No, they couldn't. And let's not talk about that anymore. The Bengals won, which is good. Joe Burrow needed this. So shout out.

Shout out. So Vibes went in that. So you picked the Titans to round some things out. So you lose that one.

We're one and one. So Vibes are at nine and 17. Perfect. And Stats are at 14 and 12. Okay. So... Okay. We're right on your tail.

I would take J.R. over Scotty, though. Scotty, like J.R. is just like obsessed with himself. And it's I feel like it's he's J.R. is not going to gaslight and manipulate you the way Scotty is going to.

I think that's what I mean by Scotty puts up a way better front than JR does. JR, like, pretty immediately, you're like, okay.

The context is that Aria always sees that I could be doing something better. I could, and there are a lot of things I could be doing better, but in this one single instance, it's just like, dude, shut up. And at least JR isn't saying much.

Is that the ultimatums version of The Bachelor? Like, he's not here for the right reasons.

So his insecurity is just like the worst.

Also the audacity to lie when you have kissed multiple times in front of cameras on a show that everyone will see.

I do not recall.

Do you think that Nick kind of objectifies Sandy?

Yeah. But do you think that's like the core of a lot of the of a lot of the issues of like he's seeing her more as like definitely no more than J.R.

Which I don't think it's specifically Nick, but it's like he's like trying to win this thing and prove that he can have someone as beautiful as Sandy. And by doing that, he's just breaking himself down.

I don't mean this as having anything to do with Sandy. I'm just thinking of how Nick views Sandy and how that ends up reflecting on the way he treats himself in order to obtain Sandy versus actually caring about her.

Diabolical.

Diabolical is the best word for it.

As soon as he put that cologne on his balls, I was like, this man is gross.

Why do you have to put that there? What are you hiding? What are you going to do? Why is someone going to be smelling your dick?

Do you believe the conspiracy theory that the ankle thing is on purpose? Because almost, except for one time, every time his ankle has been injured, the Chiefs have won a Super Bowl.

It's not calming.

She was a Disney cast member. She was like at like Orlando. Yeah.

It wasn't even her first announcement, though. That was not on the list of her announcements. That was like down there. Jared Osman was the first on her announcements. And then it was her kids on her announcements, which was insane.

Who out of the Salt Lake cast do you think would make the best SNL host?

I don't think so.

The fact that he went on thinking it was going to help his political career and then he got like a 21 year old. It's it's it's perfect. Oh, and it keeps going. So good.

No.

I feel like the rule with a gag gift is you get one nice thing and then the dumbest thing you can possibly think of and pair it with each other. So then you have to fight over the stupid thing for the nice thing. Yeah, 100%.

They need to get all the SCTP people. Yeah. Yeah, for 50.

If you had to put together, like, an all-time SNL starting five of cast members, who would be the one?

Incredible. That is good. Is Dana Carvey, like, he's on, is he just working there now again? He's on so much.

Yeah. I'm so excited to see Parker Posey in the show. She's going to kill it.

It's great. It's so fun.

Oh, this is my dream. This is incredible. To geek out with Heidi Gardner about Dana Carvey.

SCTV. Second City Television with Catherine O'Hara, Eugene Levy, Martin Short was on it, Rick Moranis. Incredible, incredible TV show.

It is. If you're ever feeling down, just pull up some YouTube SCTV videos.

uh daniel carvey it's jennifer coolidge impression it's ariana ariana grande chloe fineman and dana carvey all are doing jennifer coolidge impressions it's the dumbest thing in the world it's incredible he also did church lady again as i saw that yeah that's my dad's favorite sketch shocker yeah it's iconic all right well that'll do it for us today meredith marks is with us tomorrow for going deeper

and i think she's saying that her mental state going into the relationship with sandoval that she wasn't i'll tell you what if you're right about the fact that the show has footage of james laying a hand on kristin and editing that out like fuck fuck that i mean i mean if that's i think it's representative of the time that vanderpump started in to where it ended in where it's like you have just in the way that like kristin was narrator narrativize as crazy kristin it's just like

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that makes sense.

They monogrammed it?

I was like, you're right.

Oh.

It's like you're watching their security cameras or something. It's tough.

Oh.

Take your shirt off.

I'm sure we have a t-shirt here.

They would kick him out very fast.

Why? I don't know.

It didn't count. Who, me? Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She got that bob back and she said... What did she say? She's just saying what everyone's thinking, which is that it's a money grab. Her new legal...

Because she's an ally, I guess, to everybody but her own family. I don't know. It's really dark.

Well, I mean, OJ did write If I Did It. Yeah, he did. So this is not unprecedented.

And it kind of worked for him. I'm not saying it was a good thing, but it did work for him going forward. And maybe Casey Anthony is attempting to kind of get what OJ got afterwards, but I don't know if it's going to work.

He was honored for making an immediate impact during his first year on the job.

And he brought out the, this is going to ruin the tour.

Yes.

pink back to blonde.

There's nothing wrong with going from pink back to blonde. I've done that before.

It is. And like it's great for three months and then you're like oh no.

what it seemed to me of like what the kind of issue with the reunion thing is is that it was he had talked to jimmy right yes and it was because of jimmy's advice that he thought from previous jimmy from previous seasons said that he should get on better terms with sarah which i think she probably took but i don't think that's bad either i think all of these people who go on this show have a very like

But no one's saying it's a crime at the reunion. They're just arguing at the reunion TV.

Very good. Yes.

You sound like Parker Posey with her lorazepam. Tsunami. Tsunami.

That silence was loud.

Yeah, we did not. Great.

i know that's why sometimes i like don't want to talk about stuff because i'm like i have to have peace somewhere else i can't i don't want to think about what i'm gonna talk about that i might ruin it for you no i do want to apologize i said walter goggins last week and it is walton and i would never want to disrespect the man that meant the legend walton goggins did they come for you

I don't know, but I've been thinking about it because I knew I was wrong when I said it. I was like, no, Walton.

And I think when you're in love like that, you really context and normal decision making just completely goes out the way.

Wow. Do Justin and I get bunk beds?

Sorry. Megalodon necklaces.

You can go as fast or slow as you want, my guy.

Absolutely. Shep is the definition of like certain men will like have to go and take ayahuasca and like have a midlife crisis in order to figure out the same thing a teenage girl figures out by listening to Lana Del Rey.

I'd keep that, though. What's the necklace look like?

Huge, ancestral shark.