Les Velez

And then once he set up cameras, it stopped.

And that makes me think maybe there's something happening in consciousness, like something happening in his mind, which I don't actually think discredits it.

Because I think that the spiritual and what happens with that kind of connection is still legitimate.

But I'm curious, how does that fit with your understanding of what's happening?

And what could you say to someone like me that feels that way?

Right.

Both things can be true.

It's complicated.

Is there a specific case, either one that you worked on or one that you can reference that perhaps we could even pull up about some type of physical abduction where you felt like the preponderance of evidence regarding their implants or something like that would be very persuasive?

Can you share where it appeared on their body?

Yeah.

And so their whole bodies are submerged?

Interesting.

Yeah.

And everyone within these groups will basically have the same kind of experience.

actually confirmed later on way later on almost 30 years later right is is really phenomenal these kinds of stories are so challenging to me because it's it's it's like to me i'm like yeah i mean it kind of makes sense like i and i don't think that they're lying but i just go how is this happening yeah what is going on are they

Are they, because again, I've spoken with people that have been removed from their homes, that they're lying in their bed.

And then they have these sort of like vague kind of memories of not being in their bed and then waking up on their couch.

And then they're trying to understand what happened.

And I go, do they have a camera that they could capture this?