Leslie John

And that was just the perfect segue in.

And then what proceeded was probably the most meaningful conversation Jennifer had had definitely with her mother, potentially with anyone ever.

And so that just really, really ended up, it deepened their relationship.

Yes.

You can think of even those sayings from wartime, loose lips sink ships, right?

It feels like the default, the strong default we have is to stay silent if there's any doubt.

And to your point, I mean—

The public discourse is kind of obsessed with TMI moments, right, of outing people.

That's TMI.

That's oversharing.

And it is true.

Of course, we can share too much at the wrong time with the wrong people that can bite us in all these ways.

But in what I found in our research is that.

we don't pay attention, we don't pay enough attention to the other side of the coin, which is what I call TLI, too little information, and that there are very real harms to not opening up, to staying silent.

And so I'm hoping that we can start adjudicating these decisions of whether to share or not in a more balanced, even-handed way where we consider both TMI and TLI.

Oh, yeah.

So there's some fascinating research by some scholars in the medical area where they have

interviewed patients essentially whether they've hid some really pertinent health information from their doctor, right?

The very person who has taken an oath to protect them.

And it's 80% of people.