Leslie Kean

So the accounts were consistent. They were happening to people You know, all over the world of all kinds of different groups. These people had no other traumas. I mean, they were not perfect people. They had sexual experiences. They had been raped. They had had been victims of crime. They'd had, you know, trouble with their family members. So these were not perfect. extraordinary, perfect people.

So the accounts were consistent. They were happening to people You know, all over the world of all kinds of different groups. These people had no other traumas. I mean, they were not perfect people. They had sexual experiences. They had been raped. They had had been victims of crime. They'd had, you know, trouble with their family members. So these were not perfect. extraordinary, perfect people.

These were ordinary people with all the baggage that ordinary people have. But these experiences, like a sexual trauma, don't translate to the kind of encounters that they were relating to Mac. So, you know, one by one, he was eliminating all the possibility, the fabrication. When these people were recounting their experiences and reliving the trauma, really terrified.

These were ordinary people with all the baggage that ordinary people have. But these experiences, like a sexual trauma, don't translate to the kind of encounters that they were relating to Mac. So, you know, one by one, he was eliminating all the possibility, the fabrication. When these people were recounting their experiences and reliving the trauma, really terrified.

These were ordinary people with all the baggage that ordinary people have. But these experiences, like a sexual trauma, don't translate to the kind of encounters that they were relating to Mac. So, you know, one by one, he was eliminating all the possibility, the fabrication. When these people were recounting their experiences and reliving the trauma, really terrified.

They could not be making this up. Mac said that based on his experience as a psychiatrist. So he had some expertise to draw on. So he put all this stuff together and he said all the explanations that have been offered don't add up. So what is it? He said, I don't know. But it ain't that and it ain't that. You know, it's something else.

They could not be making this up. Mac said that based on his experience as a psychiatrist. So he had some expertise to draw on. So he put all this stuff together and he said all the explanations that have been offered don't add up. So what is it? He said, I don't know. But it ain't that and it ain't that. You know, it's something else.

They could not be making this up. Mac said that based on his experience as a psychiatrist. So he had some expertise to draw on. So he put all this stuff together and he said all the explanations that have been offered don't add up. So what is it? He said, I don't know. But it ain't that and it ain't that. You know, it's something else.

So anyway, that's how he came to the conclusion that, you know, he was in some very strange world. And that's what gripped him.

So anyway, that's how he came to the conclusion that, you know, he was in some very strange world. And that's what gripped him.

So anyway, that's how he came to the conclusion that, you know, he was in some very strange world. And that's what gripped him.

we're all trained in journalism in following the facts. And there's certain facts we have at hand. We know that there are objects in the sky and under the water that defy explanation. There are pictures of them. They've been detected. They have been documented. And the government basically admits, yeah, these things exist. We don't know about them. After that,

we're all trained in journalism in following the facts. And there's certain facts we have at hand. We know that there are objects in the sky and under the water that defy explanation. There are pictures of them. They've been detected. They have been documented. And the government basically admits, yeah, these things exist. We don't know about them. After that,

we're all trained in journalism in following the facts. And there's certain facts we have at hand. We know that there are objects in the sky and under the water that defy explanation. There are pictures of them. They've been detected. They have been documented. And the government basically admits, yeah, these things exist. We don't know about them. After that,

you really get into another realm of speculation. So if you're a journalist pursuing facts, there's certain things you can confirm and verify as fact, and then you sort of get into an area where you can't verify, and there are no hard facts to back it up. So that's the dilemma with this whole subject. And I don't want to belittle the progress we've made.

you really get into another realm of speculation. So if you're a journalist pursuing facts, there's certain things you can confirm and verify as fact, and then you sort of get into an area where you can't verify, and there are no hard facts to back it up. So that's the dilemma with this whole subject. And I don't want to belittle the progress we've made.

you really get into another realm of speculation. So if you're a journalist pursuing facts, there's certain things you can confirm and verify as fact, and then you sort of get into an area where you can't verify, and there are no hard facts to back it up. So that's the dilemma with this whole subject. And I don't want to belittle the progress we've made.

We now agree, even the government, that these objects exist. We can't explain them. We can capture images and parameters in our sensitive devices, which we never had before, by the way, years ago. So we have equipment that can document that these things exist. That's a big plus. Now, Who's piloting them? Are they intelligent? Where do they come from? Why are they here? What do they want with us?

We now agree, even the government, that these objects exist. We can't explain them. We can capture images and parameters in our sensitive devices, which we never had before, by the way, years ago. So we have equipment that can document that these things exist. That's a big plus. Now, Who's piloting them? Are they intelligent? Where do they come from? Why are they here? What do they want with us?

We now agree, even the government, that these objects exist. We can't explain them. We can capture images and parameters in our sensitive devices, which we never had before, by the way, years ago. So we have equipment that can document that these things exist. That's a big plus. Now, Who's piloting them? Are they intelligent? Where do they come from? Why are they here? What do they want with us?