Leslie Kean

I'm going to say that the so-called skeptics, the debunkers who – are ready to ridicule Mack and others and say, oh, it's clear that this is, you know, these people are fabricating or they're hiding a sexual trauma. They do not know what they're talking about. Mack looked at all these other explanations. and they don't fit. That's the problem.

It is a complete mystery what happened to these people. But they cannot be explained by any explanations that are readily at hand. And this is from an expert psychiatrist, but others who have looked at it have come to the same conclusion. So the so-called skeptics who are ready with an explanation, they can explain it immediately.

It is a complete mystery what happened to these people. But they cannot be explained by any explanations that are readily at hand. And this is from an expert psychiatrist, but others who have looked at it have come to the same conclusion. So the so-called skeptics who are ready with an explanation, they can explain it immediately.

It is a complete mystery what happened to these people. But they cannot be explained by any explanations that are readily at hand. And this is from an expert psychiatrist, but others who have looked at it have come to the same conclusion. So the so-called skeptics who are ready with an explanation, they can explain it immediately.

Oh, it's clear that these people are, you know, it's a sexual trauma that they're You know, it's not true. It remains a complete mystery.

Oh, it's clear that these people are, you know, it's a sexual trauma that they're You know, it's not true. It remains a complete mystery.

Oh, it's clear that these people are, you know, it's a sexual trauma that they're You know, it's not true. It remains a complete mystery.

Yeah. And, you know, he looked at all the other explanations. As I said, this is why the so-called skeptics have it wrong. Mack looked at all these things in order because at first he couldn't believe in himself. He was a skeptic in the beginning. He ridiculed Bud Hopkins at first, saying he must be crazy to believe this stuff. But as John started to look into it, he was more and more intrigued.

Yeah. And, you know, he looked at all the other explanations. As I said, this is why the so-called skeptics have it wrong. Mack looked at all these things in order because at first he couldn't believe in himself. He was a skeptic in the beginning. He ridiculed Bud Hopkins at first, saying he must be crazy to believe this stuff. But as John started to look into it, he was more and more intrigued.

Yeah. And, you know, he looked at all the other explanations. As I said, this is why the so-called skeptics have it wrong. Mack looked at all these things in order because at first he couldn't believe in himself. He was a skeptic in the beginning. He ridiculed Bud Hopkins at first, saying he must be crazy to believe this stuff. But as John started to look into it, he was more and more intrigued.

So first of all, the phenomenon seems to occur to people across the spectrum, not only in the United States, all over the world, young, old, men, women, not to any particular group of people. And as I said, including young children, who have not been to the movies to see space movies or alien movies. They haven't read alien books.

So first of all, the phenomenon seems to occur to people across the spectrum, not only in the United States, all over the world, young, old, men, women, not to any particular group of people. And as I said, including young children, who have not been to the movies to see space movies or alien movies. They haven't read alien books.

So first of all, the phenomenon seems to occur to people across the spectrum, not only in the United States, all over the world, young, old, men, women, not to any particular group of people. And as I said, including young children, who have not been to the movies to see space movies or alien movies. They haven't read alien books.

They would say things that really seem to come out of their experience. And we can get to the stuff in... The Rui in, you know, outside Zimbabwe, the Rua Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe, you know, sighting, which came up later. Anyway, so so first of all, he said these things are happening to ordinary people all over the world. And the accounts are basically consistent, which is interesting.

They would say things that really seem to come out of their experience. And we can get to the stuff in... The Rui in, you know, outside Zimbabwe, the Rua Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe, you know, sighting, which came up later. Anyway, so so first of all, he said these things are happening to ordinary people all over the world. And the accounts are basically consistent, which is interesting.

They would say things that really seem to come out of their experience. And we can get to the stuff in... The Rui in, you know, outside Zimbabwe, the Rua Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe, you know, sighting, which came up later. Anyway, so so first of all, he said these things are happening to ordinary people all over the world. And the accounts are basically consistent, which is interesting.

They're not cookie-cutter. They're not all the same. It's not like everyone's reading off a script. But there's a certain consistency to these accounts. These experiences are happening to people all over the world. They describe being in their bedrooms at night or not even at night, riding in a car. and seeing a bright light and then losing track of time and then encountering these beings, etc.

They're not cookie-cutter. They're not all the same. It's not like everyone's reading off a script. But there's a certain consistency to these accounts. These experiences are happening to people all over the world. They describe being in their bedrooms at night or not even at night, riding in a car. and seeing a bright light and then losing track of time and then encountering these beings, etc.

They're not cookie-cutter. They're not all the same. It's not like everyone's reading off a script. But there's a certain consistency to these accounts. These experiences are happening to people all over the world. They describe being in their bedrooms at night or not even at night, riding in a car. and seeing a bright light and then losing track of time and then encountering these beings, etc.

So the accounts were consistent. They were happening to people You know, all over the world of all kinds of different groups. These people had no other traumas. I mean, they were not perfect people. They had sexual experiences. They had been raped. They had had been victims of crime. They'd had, you know, trouble with their family members. So these were not perfect. extraordinary, perfect people.