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Lewis Bollard

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
737 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

the first problem is structural.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So at the state level, they've had to use ballot measures to get around entrenched lobbies.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

In this case, things start out in the House and Senate ag committees, which are heavily dominated by agricultural interests.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

The majority of House members, I think, signed a letter against this in the last Congress, but the vast majority of them are not on the ag committee.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And so the ag committee gets to decide what's in this bill.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And if you're on the ag committee, I mean, the House ag committee just hosted a hearing on this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

They only invited lobbyists

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

for the industry.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

They didn't bother to provide a single opposing witness to their hearing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

We're also seeing that the industry is much better organized and funded on this effort than advocates are.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So the industry is constantly flying out a bunch of big industrial pork farmers claiming they speak for the entire industry, telling the legislators this is their number one priority and absolutely has to be done.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

By contrast, animal welfare groups are not getting the same hearing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So legislators are not taking them as seriously as they take these agro.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

There is a large constituency of family farmers who support these laws because it has created a new market opportunity for them where they can sell their already higher welfare meat and not be undercut by the industrial stuff.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

The problem they have is that they are far less wealthy and organized than the industrial pork interests.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And so they don't have the money to just fly themselves to D.C.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

They can't stop farming.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

The people who are actually doing family farming can't just go to D.C.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

and hang out for a week because they need to be farming and looking after the pigs on their farm.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

I mean, there are people who are funding some of these family farmers to go to Washington, D.C., but we could see a far bigger effort.