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Lewis Bollard

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
737 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

When you look at the underlying production costs, it's only 19 cents difference.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And so what we see is these retailers are using this as an opportunity to get a big markup with less price-sensitive consumers and are in the process massively hampering their ability to fulfill their commitments.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

By contrast, Costco went 100% cage-free.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

They followed through on their promise.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And what we see is they are now selling cage-free eggs for the same price as Walmart sells its caged eggs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So there is that competitive pressure.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Once cage-free becomes the new baseline, it does become the commodity market.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And you do see those margins competed away.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Same thing in states where they've banned the sale of caged eggs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Cage-free eggs now cost the same thing as the caged eggs cost next door.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So you do see that competed away.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Once it becomes the commodity, it's until it reaches that point that you're seeing these crazy margins.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Like Vital Farms or Nest Fresh Eggs, like they are out front focusing on the animal welfare benefits because they're pasture raised and it looks amazing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

The fundamental problem for the large-scale companies is they have just made things less bad.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

And it's still really good what they're doing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

Moving from caged to cage-free is incredible.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

But I think there are two problems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So one is their consumers already thought they weren't using caged eggs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

So if they advertise like, hey, we're cage-free now, everyone's like, what?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Artificial meat is harder than artificial intelligence โ€” Lewis Bollard

What were you doing all this time?