Lex Fridman

And we should say that Dutch is kind of like maybe a little bit of a godlike figure.

In both of the Red Dead Redemption games.

He's the leader of the gang.

And there's a father-son relationship with Dutch, with Arthur, with John.

I mean, there's a family feeling to the gang that you explore all of those dynamics.

And then the feeling of betrayal and Arthur facing tuberculosis.

Mm-hmm.

Going against the family, going against the father because he is transforming his sense of the world, of morality, of all those kinds of things.

So all the kind of very Shakespearean dramas right there.

And Dutch is a prominent godlike figure through all of that.

Also flawed himself.

Also a man of good and evil in that context.

a framework that they're operating under.

How much I love human beings and how susceptible I am to charm and charisma.

Because it can cloud your judgment about human nature.

Yeah.

But also it clouded Arthur's judgment.

Yeah, it's truly tragic for Arthur to be losing his identity, lifelong identity, and the sense of belonging and losing his life at the same time.

In facing the mortality, he is realizing that he's not...

All of it has been a lie.