Liam Donovan

And Donald Trump was first in class.

It's just a great kind of summation of all these things.

But it gives you a sensitive flavor for, like, who Massey is.

And I do think he was a thorn in the side of this White House and of the party for the longest time.

But I think—

to your point, he was able to take issues that get a particular premium online.

If you can take some of these polemical issues that get a lot of engagement and make that your issue, that's not really what we were talking about, but he was able to wrap himself in it in a way that I think got a lot of attention and was able to, in some ways, benefit him.

He was able to fight a pretty close race.

And I think

That is a valuable way of getting attention.

If you are a candidate, particularly an insurgent candidate, if you try to make races about these issues, you can find an audience for it.

And whether or not it pays electoral dividends, I think that's something to watch for.

I think that's right.

I mean, I think it's much easier to synthesize

Who knows where it goes?

But I think Republicans have an easier time containing this and sorting it out.

I'm watching Vice President Vance as the one who is kind of the – he has spoken up on this and I think is trying to sort that out because there is a generational divide.

There are certain politics that have been imprinted on –

How are you going to hold Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson together in one party?

I don't think Tucker Carlson wants to be involved in any party right now.