Liam Donovan

And listen until Tucker Carlson runs in 2028.

He has deliberately marginalized himself in a way that has...

I think, been very successful in getting a grip around a certain audience.

Well, I think what's good for – this is the attention economy, right?

What's good for Tucker is getting attention however he can, including right now picking fights with Donald Trump because there is an appetite for that in a way that there wasn't a couple years ago.

But I don't know that that's his project.

I don't know that his is an electoral –

I think he's trying to build his own platform.

He's trying to build his own audience.

And I think he genuinely has a lot of these positions that he's sorting out in real time.

But I think the layers to this, I mean, the question of why do I think it's easier for Republicans?

Well, I think for Democrats, this is like literally like a litmus test issue in a way that is going to be on full display in 2028 to the point where like literally like the most popular

obviously talented politician in the race.

Like, I don't even know if, I mean, I'd love to know, like, Josh Shapiro, does he have any chance of, I mean, it just seems like the kind of issue, just proximity to it, that would be the sort of thing that will, will

color his – the market for a Josh Shapiro candidate.

And they boxed him out on this issue even in the Veep Stakes in 2024.

So I just think it's so – it's so facially front and center that that makes it difficult, whereas this is –

underneath a lot of things in the Republican Party.

And I think a lot of it relates to generationally, you have a generation, a Fox News generation, kind of a boomer generation that's imprinted with the sort of more idealistic politics of the shared affinity of the state of Israel, the, you know, sort of Christian imperative, the sort of Huckabee approach toward these things versus, you

A younger Republican Party and a party that shifted over time to be the low trust party that is skeptical of institutions that doesn't want to hear in the same way that like Trump exploited skepticism of the the neoconservative project and the idealism of it to something much more kind of skeptical and perhaps cynical.