Lily Padman

Or they're not good parents or whatever.

And like, doesn't matter.

The other option is worse.

Yeah.

And it's, yeah, that really struck me.

And now I've been very aware of, like, when I hear about the system or also when I look around at all these unhoused people and I just think, like, they're all from it.

Maybe she just wanted to wear her pajamas.

Right.

I know.

It's really it's very hard to like to accept.

Yeah, because I understand the impulse like, well, we got to get this kid in a situation.

They can't be living in a house where they don't have clothes and stuff, but they really can't be living in a house where they don't have parents or someone that loves them or knows them.

Well, that's the other.

Now I've been so, I'm like so angry about when a kid is removed from their family.

I'm like, you ruined it.

Immediately you ruined it.

And you started this cycle and now that kid,

is traumatized and probably will do something that confirms that you think this system is bad.

And it's like, don't do that.

And even the thing about like what she, which is a fact about kinship care, like that has to be the first resort.