Linda Holmes

But it is certainly the viewership is not what it was.

People watch so much of these shows on clips and streaming and you see it on social media and stuff like that, as opposed to either staying up to watch Colbert or Seth Meyers or whoever.

Or even a DVR, you know, I DVR it every night and watch the next day.

You don't get as much of, I think, either of those things.

But to me, it's always misleading to evaluate the value, even just the economic value of those shows based on like, how much can you sell ads and how much money can you make directly on the show?

Sure.

Sure.

Or is this something where as long as it still has value to the big media companies as a way to like your movie star talks to Jimmy Fallon and that clip circulates and circulates and circulates, is that enough that it would keep them alive?

Or do you see it as an endangered format?

Unexpected mogul to me if you watched him on Real People.

Who knew?

It's not a conventional arrangement.

Yeah, I get that.

Well, it is always good to talk late night with you, Eric.

That does bring us to the end of our show.

Thank you so much for being here.

Absolutely.

All right.

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