Lis Smith

Ro Khanna, you mentioned, has done a good job of going to many places.

But yeah, let's deputize more people.

I think some people have given me credit for it, yeah.

So there are two reasons these days to go on Fox.

One is to have a moment, right, where you just go on and you're like, I want to punch the host in the face.

That's a very self-serving thing where you will get donors out of it.

The chattering class will be like, oh, look, this guy or gal can take the fight to the Republicans.

You will get plaudits online.

But when you take that approach, you are absolutely not winning anyone at home.

And I've just seen –

over time, people more and more doing that approach versus the persuasion approach.

And in 2019, 2020 with Pete, he did lean very much into their persuasion approach.

And you still see some Democrats doing that.

Mark Kelly had a really good appearance a number of months ago.

And so I think...

If the goal is to get the message out to people that this administration is really corrupt and that it's wrong and that this corruption is hurting you and that you elected these people to lower your costs and they're just getting rich, I think going on and yelling at them, insulting the host is less effective than trying to make the persuasive case and say, look, we can all agree corruption is bad, that people should not be getting elected to Congress to enrich themselves.

And I would try to strike more of that tone.

And it doesn't just need to be Fox News.

As we know, Fox News, its audience is getting smaller and smaller over time.

And so we've got to really hit the entire ecosystem.