Lisa Johnson

It does.

Yeah.

And it works.

I mean, even really early on.

If you want PR, you can get it because everyone has a human interest story.

It doesn't matter how early you are in business.

That's not really what people are writing about most of the time anyway.

Yes, because of them.

not in spite of them.

Because if we don't, as women especially, continue to show up and continue to have our voices heard because we're too scared because of the backlash we might get, then what's that saying to the next generation?

We have to do it even more.

And yeah, I've had negativity that men don't.

So for instance, if I'm in the Daily Mail,

talking about money that I've made, I will for sure get thousands of comments about, or anything to do with me, my looks or whatever.

It doesn't matter because a woman making money in this country still triggers people.

Whereas if a man does that, it's a different story.

And me and one of my male friends about four years ago, he was at about the same point I am in business.

He wrote a post and he,

It talked about money and it was quite like, look at me-ish.

And I said, I wrote to him and I was laughing.