Lisa Kayes

I know that groups recover better and can deal when somebody says like, guys, is something weird?

You know, this seems weird because usually everybody's like, oh, thank God somebody said it.

But I realize, you know, people at different ages, different groups, different relationships, maturity levels, that's not always going to be possible.

But I think the closer you can get to it, usually the quicker you can recover potentially.

I think couples do change the dynamic of groups.

They don't get to talk about it with anybody.

Like we are not becoming your like, you know, love life.

I'm not spending my vacation doing love life counseling for you.

You need to have like a phone a friend or somebody not on the trip.

to call and deal with this.

Because I think that's where the dynamic gets weird is when it's like, oh, he said this.

Do you think it meant this?

And what's going on?

And why is he not?

And that's not fun for anyone.

I think generally conflict tends to get more awkward the longer it goes on.

And then you get caucuses of people talking about each other.

And then you get I mean, it just gets like worse and worse.

And that's why I think cracking a joke, calling attention to it, like people think it's going to make it worse, but it actually diffuses it.

But it's that's why I say it's a brave thing to do.