Lisa Phillips

And I would love to send you over there.

He told her about you and you know, you just need to go meet with her.

And I was like thinking, okay, he's not a bad guy.

He wants to help me out.

He listened to me.

Maybe that was just like my fault.

Maybe I was flirty.

I don't know.

I had just, you know, victims and they just blame themselves in these kinds of situations.

I think it's a coping mechanism just to say, Oh, maybe he's not bad.

And,

And so I just did what he said because it was the biggest goal for me.

I told him that on the island and I went and met with Katie Ford a couple of days later and she signed me up and got into Katie's world at that point, thinking at the time that I've made it and this is the next step for me and this is what I deserve.

And I just started seeing Jeffrey Morna

a light of a mentor and helper, like he presented himself in the beginning.

And Katie Ford said, I love Jeffrey.

And everyone that I would meet in New York at that time also did love and adore and spoke very highly about Jeffrey Epstein at that time.

So I was starting to get a

Oh, no, it didn't stop after that because now I was in the modeling industry world.

there's a very well known sex trafficking ring that was going in the malling industry world, John Luke Burnell, you know, John Casablanca, you know, Katie and many others that were sending young girls to Jeffrey.