Lisa Wilkinson

Because so often I said to these offers, look, I'm actually really happy where I am, so it's fine.

And what they hear in their head is, oh, she's playing hard to get.

We're going to have to up the offer.

So I did take advantage of that on quite a few occasions.

Would you describe yourself as being confident throughout your career?

I would often get to a certain point and I would think I feel like I can relax a little bit and

But I never, ever wanted to be in a role where I thought I'd stopped learning, that I was not being challenged by the role.

Hence the reason why I decided to write a book like this.

I think it's about 550, including about 30 pages of footnotes that prove the research that has gone into it.

Wow.

Because the interesting thing about writing an account of the sinking of the Titanic and one particular woman's

role in all of that is I discovered very early on that finding the truth of everything that happened on that ship, on that night, leading up to it, what happened afterwards.

There's a lot of people who gave accounts.

And many of them have differing versions of the truth.

So trying to navigate, please pardon the shocking pun, through all of that and work out for myself what I think is probably what happened was the biggest challenge of it.

I didn't even know Evelyn existed, but my husband, who is a very successful author of historical moments that he brings to life, and I love coming up with ideas for him.

And he had his computer open on his lap and I heard him say to me, isn't she a beauty?

And I looked over and I said, is that the Titanic?

And he said, yeah, isn't she a beauty?

I said, well, she was, not so much these days, down on the bottom of the ocean.