Loch Kelly
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Healing + Human Potential
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We're not either one personality ego, like I am anxious. Oh, I should try not to be anxious. Oh, let me meditate to not be anxious. Or the other side of it is, oh, there's nobody here that's anxious. There actually is no self. So the middle one is to realize, oh, part of me is anxious. If you wake up, you have to continue to grow up.
Healing + Human Potential
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Thank you. This is so great to be with you here and to be with you and your audience and talk about whatever you want to talk about.
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Yeah, and in some ways, it's kind of like saying, look, these are normal cul-de-sacs. Like, don't get too worried about them, because if you go step by step, here's what they are, and here's where you can set up camp. You can set up camp, and sometimes they're a little bit better, but they end up kind of getting thin or wearing out like a little, or you have to hold them together.
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You've heard of the spiritual bypass, of course, right? Yes. John Welbut. So I talk about the intellectual overpass, which is kind of like...
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People read a lot of spiritual books and try to, as soon as they get an insight experientially, their intellect grabs it. Oh, I got it now. Now I understand that I'm one with everything. It's like, well, come on back down to where you feel it.
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And then there's actually the psychological underpass, which is people who only do psychological work and never realize there's something greater than themselves.
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And they don't quite let themselves discover that which is greater than the ego. Because in some ways, that's the kind of radical premise of both these systems.
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one personality ego, like I am anxious. Oh, I should try not to be anxious. Oh, let me meditate to not be anxious. Or the other side of it is, oh, there's nobody here that's anxious. There actually is no self. There's just movement of energy and stories. There's just stories just appearing and coming and going. There's nobody here. So the middle one is to realize, oh, part of me is anxious.
Healing + Human Potential
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oh, there is a part of me that's anxious. Okay, let me see, where is that part in or around my body? And literally locate it like, oh, this part is like grabbing me by the throat. And it's like, all right, can you thank this part for trying to help you? So there's the next radical thing. So rather than saying, the judge is bad and stop being angry at the ego and
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judging the judge, and then judging the judge for judging the judge.
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You actually start in this kind of parts-based internal family systems approach by saying there's no bad parts. And so you start to appreciate you're trying, your intention of even the mean part in you, the rageful part, is trying to help you intentionally. Now it can act out and do negative things, you may have noticed, but we can talk about that later.
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Yes. And so when I talk about awakening similar to you, I talk about waking up and growing up. So in some ways, as Ken Wilber said, they go together. And that's one thing I've been with the waking up crowd and I've been with the growing up crowd doing a psychology degree and working inpatient, psychiatric and outpatient in Brooklyn mental health and then going off to India and
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There's a positive intention, especially when you start with it internally, when it starts to talk internally. And that part isn't just a thought or even a story or a belief. It's a thought, feeling, sensation that thinks it's an identity, thinks it's you. So that's what a part is. It's just a different approach. And it sneaks up and looks out of your eyes and says, I, I am anxious.
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I can't believe that this person and then that makes me feel this way. And so it keeps saying I, but you realize as soon as you can locate it, and thank it and appreciate it's trying to help because it's protective. It's a protective part. It's a managing part. It's trying to survive. It's a survival strategy.
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Then you can ask it for some space and then you step out or drop down to your heart or step out to be aware of it from another part of you. And then you can actually open up to be aware of both that mindful witness and your awake, aware mind that's interconnected with it and that has naturally unconditioned love and understanding.
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And that's what integrates it. And that's what has capacity to bear like, you know, rage and terror and are just not, are too big for any ego. That's right. That has been held down from normal, just life and energy of being a full human being. You gotta have energy.
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And if you move it up another channel to be really nice or to be really workaholic or whatever that is, it'll go through that line of energy. But if you let it kind of steam off, you get more space for it. That's the key is you have more space. And not spaced out. More space in and out. You're the sky and the cloud. And then it starts to self-liberate.
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And you start to appreciate what its motivation and you unburden it from its belief. That's where the story comes in. You unburden it from this story that, oh, I need to do this because of what I was doing when I was five years old.
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Yeah, and I'll just follow up what you said about, you know, because the problem is, and the natural human condition is trying to find safety and survival, surviving and thriving. So it wants to survive, but it also positively wants to thrive, wants to, you know, and even desire. It's not bad. Desire is thriving.
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I want to get, I want to connect, I want to, but then it gets addictive or it gets and survive. So the key becomes, where do you find the new safety? So when you go to this pure awareness and then it is what's called same taste or unity mind or embodied presence, the feeling is of a ground. You feel grounded and safe And now the key to embodied action is you've got to trust being flow.
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studying with some wonderful meditation teachers, and then just being enthralled, being just like, oh my God, this is real and this works and this makes my life so much better, but I need both.
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You've got to act. You can't go up, back up to say, okay, now I'm going to do something, so I better think about what I'm going to do. You stay home, and you have to get like this, like when you're in a flow when you do a sport or a dance or something athletic or music. You play music, listen to music, play with children.
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gardening, all these activities that people enter to be in this flow, the same principles apply, but you can just do it anywhere, even on a subway in New York City. You can feel safe. You drop, open, and include. You feel the safety and then you respond.
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You look out of the eyes of your heart almost like you're really kind of home and trusting that the information from the office of your head is coming down to your heart mind and your kind of boundless heart. And that's the feeling of... of this potential that isn't so far away. It sounds like, oh, wow, well, there's certainly parts of us like, oh, that's good for him.
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He went to India, but I'll never do it. So anybody who recognize those parts, that's a part. There's gonna be a doubting part. There's gonna be a trying part. And that's how we start is often by saying, OK, let's find the parts that are going to protecting us from doing going to the next level. They're just saying, look, we're safe by staying just as we are.
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They're trying hard and they're doubting and they're, you know, shame based. I'll never do it. It's for everyone else. I'm not good enough. If only I do this first, then it'll be. No. How about now?
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You're here. It's there. The premise, as you say, of local awareness and awake awareness is that when we do these glimpses, which are these practices that can be done any time of day, and that's the thing. You can do them sitting in the morning. You can do it before and then sit. Or you can sit and then do them. Or you can do them... one of the favorite places is hit the snooze alarm in bed.
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Give yourself five minutes. Like don't even get up and meditate. Just like you're in the sleep state, you come into liminal state and you hit the snooze alarm, roll over and either listen to or like a glimpse or do a glimpse and then get out of bed.
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Okay, let's do one where we're going to go from head to heart space. Okay, so this shows local awareness and what's called spacious awareness or effortless awareness. So the premise is, so you just have to have a premise. It's like an experiment.
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that it's not, you don't have to believe anything, you just have to try to have beginner's mind, but it's a different hypothesis, and then we do the experiment, and then you report the results. That's all. So no pressure. So the premise is that the awake consciousness is already here within us. It's not thought-based. It can move your hand, and it can use thought.
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And it can put your hand down, and it can put thought down and remain alert. So But where we are in our survival mode is in this negativity bias of the brain, projecting worst case scenarios from the past into the future and scanning for danger. And so in that location, awareness, awake awareness is just identified or attached or blended. It can unhook and de-center and drop.
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So it's blended and the whole field is available, but it's a cloud. It's in the cloud, can drop below the cloud and come into your body and you can feel your body directly from within. I've had ballerinas and yoga teachers crying saying, oh my God, I felt my body for the first time from within because they were using it like a like it was a thing appendage that they could move.
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Yes. Yeah. And this is why I kind of do these stages because people get caught halfway or they get stuck in the initial awakening. They wake up from a kind of ego-centered feeling of who they are, but then they stop at either a pure awareness or no self or kind of like, oh, I'm free of that. And then this part takes over that's kind of like an adolescent, oh, everything's relative.
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But literally, the first feeling is you're aware of your body from within, and then you go to this safe space somewhere below your neck. Some people find it here. Some people feel it in their whole body, and then you're just aware of it. We're behind, within, and in front. So we'll try that. So that's the premise. So you won't know how to do it.
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The radical thing is I'm not talking to you, the personality or the doer. I'm talking to you, the awake consciousness. Hello. Nice to meet you. Introduce yourself to yourself. And then somehow you, the awake consciousness, since you're going to want to live this life, why not start now by unhooking yourself from being identified and just drop down, come home. Yeah, how's that sound?
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So just simply be aware of listening to my words and hearing them. what I'm saying and noticing that your hearing is happening in your head and you're maybe have a part that's preparing, wondering if you're going to do it right.
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And then simply just feel as if awareness is identified somehow this awareness like a bubble, invisible bubble, can simply unhook and decenter and drop down so you're aware of your jaw, your smile from your jaw and smile. And then feel as if this bubble, some people feel like it's an invisible elevator, or like an invisible leaf. It just moves down to your throat, to your neck.
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And then, so the key is just don't look up to thought and don't look down from attention that you literally, you're directly perceiving the effervescent aliveness, the space, and the awareness from within your throat, and then let your awareness drop below your neck into your upper body.
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And then just feel your upper body directly from within, just like you almost take a little deeper breath and let out a sigh. Ah. So we let it center down. So now your head is like your feet. It's still part of you, but it's no longer the center. Your feet aren't the center and your head's not the center. So you're now looking for a safe space that people say, this is me.
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Like your heart mind, heart space. And see if you can go subtler and subtler. And now just go into the awake space within the cells, within the atoms, into this heart space. And just rest almost like you're received in this open presence. And then just being aware of the heart space, it's like you're aware from the heart space.
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inside and maybe even you can feel behind you and notice that awareness has your back. The local awareness can open behind you to discover this field of awareness that's always been there without your help and now is coming forward mixed with aliveness in your body like a wave and then kind of feeling interconnected from your heart space out and any thoughts and emotions can come down
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like Wi-Fi from the office of your head, just staying home, sweet home in your heart. And it's not your emotional heart or your heart chakra or your physical heart. It's another center. Some people need to go kind of behind and below their emotional heart to get here. So here is another view and another location to be aware from.
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That's it.
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Yeah. So you're getting out of that. Thought's going to thought, going to scan for danger, eyes, head. And then you're stepping out of that. but you're not spacing out, this way you're coming in to the space within.
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I can just do what I want. And We all know the stories of how many gurus and teachers who had initial awakenings. I've actually worked with them. Certainly, I've worked with a lot of people who were hurt by them and helped them with their trauma. But I've also, with about five different teachers who acted out physically, violently, emotionally, with money, with sex, with drugs.
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Yeah, I can do a couple more quick little glimpses because they're so short and that's the thing. So the thing about that one too is the intelligence of that and the trust, like you're saying, and particularly the automatic thoughts, which is chattering mind,
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do not have to be listened to they can move to the background so they're still there they're still mental sensations like sensations in your hands but you don't have to check with them you have you start to trust if oh remember your keys comes up it comes up usually from a part which is different than mental chatter that's one of the habits that when we're in our head
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we think because thoughts are going by, they must be important. So we have this habit of like, oh, what is that? Oh, what's that? Oh, I remember that. Oh, that reminds me of that. So as soon as you get out of that, you start to realize, which is what Tai Chi masters and martial artists do, is they're safer physically, emotionally, by being soft and open and not mentally like a guard at a
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the the awakeness has to be safe and it has to be functional and it has to actually be more intelligent meaning optimally responsive and active right right yeah and so that's that's why it's a developmental stage is because is to get exactly what you're saying you've got to get the trust to try it and then you've got to confirm the experiment oh i was actually more aware and
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And less, even though I wasn't scanning everything and being, you know, looking at everything as I walked in, I just was open. And then, oh, there's the information.
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Yes, that's right. I'm 120. Thank you for saying I look well. So when you do this dropping from head to heart space, you know, and certainly there's a bunch of ways to listen to it on a phone while you're walking. Like while you're walking in nature, it's like your being takes your body for a walk or your heart takes your... It's like, oh, wow.
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And it's just like the curiosity of like, well, what happened? And so in some ways, I'll just say as we get back to our main topic here, in some ways, if you wake up, you have to continue to grow up. And if you're growing up, at some point you reach a level where you have a strong, healthy ego. You have to wake up even from that.
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And if you're growing up at some point, you reach a level where you have a strong, healthy ego. You have to wake up even from that because the emotions and the tenderness and the sensitivity and the healing of everyday trauma, which we all have requires something greater than our small self. And so Waking up, for me, is a developmental stage.
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You just start to really get this feeling that's even more like flowy and like a cat. You become like a... And you're just connected to nature and you're feeling... So it's quite a little shift. And again, it's like, Literally, once you get it, you don't even, you know, you listen to somebody lead you through it, then you lead yourself through it, then you don't even need words.
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So this is the, you know, for those on the podcast, this is not so good.
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I do a lot of that, you know, for that group. So I'm doing like, you know. And then, you know, this kind of heart thing like this. And then, you know, so that you get that feeling. So let's do this short one, which is a little more out. So that's an inner door. Here's an outer door. And then we'll do an IFS door too.
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So the outer door is, again, we'll go back to this survive and thrive as the primary. So then the SMART. thrive and survive is the manager, which we take to be me, and certainly this part, it basically becomes a problem solver. So it's very nice. It's very like, oh, I'm just checking for problems. Are there any problems out here? Are there any problems in here? Are there any problems out there?
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Are there any problems in here? And it binds it in this scanning to the past, projecting to the future. And if that problem solver could relax, could we discover that both outside and within here, there's this alert, awareness-based, non-thought-based, safe presence?
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That's the premise, is for me to say an inquiry to you, eyes open or closed, no big deal, and then you'll understand the words, but then look with awareness, with local awareness, to see what's here, inside and out, that's not a thought, that's not the problem solver. Yeah, so that's the setup, and here's the inquiry. So what's here now when there's no problem to solve?
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So just now, if the problem solver just relaxes, steps back, what's this that you're aware of And what's this that you're aware as? Just for a glimpse. And then what's the relationship between this kind of open, spacious, pervasive awareness that's alert? Does it have to go to thought to be smart and responsive? And then what's the relationship with the sky-like awareness to
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the vibration, sensation, emotion, thoughts, feelings, your body and the room. If it's more same taste, there's not two things going on. What's this?
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Because even a strong, healthy ego cannot bear a fully emotional human life. Because the emotions and the tenderness and the sensitivity and the healing of everyday trauma, which we all have, requires something greater than our small self. And so... waking up for me is a developmental stage.
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Yeah. Kind of unity mind. Yeah. And then you can tune it in a little clearer, but stay in the less left brain. So some of it's left brain, right brain too, because we're so left brain And left brain is very much about discerning and labeling and even a lot of meditation systems will label and look at that and name that and notice that.
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And it's like, well, if you see, the right brain will see everything at once. And so you can have both of them on and drop into actually the third, which is awake mind or heart mind or unity mind, whichever of those. And then left brain and right brain work. as functional tools rather than going to left brain to be safe, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, the one recent story is that I got, so during the pandemic, I got COVID and then I got long COVID. And both my wife, Paige, and I and my sister got it at the same time. And they each had it for about six months. And I had it for about a year and a half long COVID. And so it was like my body was like 100 years old. It wasn't when I got up, it wouldn't fire.
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The nerve endings wouldn't fire. And I had this brain fog. And so when I had this brain fog, I thought, okay, well, I guess I'm not using that. So I started trusting. So I'd go on and I'd teach or I'd go and talk. And I was like, I'm not even going to prepare. And just the stuff that would come out, it would be like, that was pretty good. I don't know who said that, but I like that.
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But there started to be almost a trust thing. of this heart mind that isn't using self-referencing all the time. And so when the body and the mind were, they weren't in pain, you know, that was the good thing. It wasn't pain. It was just almost like a disability. It was like a less strength, a less coordination, less firing of things.
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Uh, so, so, so then I was able to open up that and that opened up a kind of a, you know, a kind of a tenderness too. I started to kind of be more tender and, and kind of like, you know, make calls and, and I was like, well, we want to know how you are. I said, yeah, I'm okay. How are you doing?
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You know, I was just like, I was just like, I just feel like, you know, I wanted to connect and talk to you. And, you know, I don't know, there's some more less left brain personality and more heartfelt emotional life for male in our culture that often isn't emphasized. So I started to feel both optimally functioning and kind of more fully human during a time where I was disabled.
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So it's not just an esoteric thing that's for the Olympic athletes of meditation, or you have to go off, join a monastery or live in a cave. That my hope and what I've seen with thousands now of people is it's possible in the midst of any daily life to learn some tools. And if you're dedicated and consistent, It's just like a stage of development.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I came out of the pandemic and started getting, and then I went into one of the most intense business and I created an app. So I started getting into like working with coders and like all these details and like, you know, on the computer all the time. And it was like, it was like a little bit of a... You know, like, you know, the brakes were on and the gas was on.
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But eventually, like you're saying, you almost like you it's what I call almost now panoramic flow when I'm like in the heart and flowing and relationally and and then absorbed flow. So I would enter into the world. uh, of a task that takes a lot of left brain stuff. And I would just go right into it and like, go like, Oh yeah, look at that. That works like that.
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And this is like, Oh, and then there's this, not a nuts. Okay. Oh, we could do that. Or we could do that. This like, Oh yeah, that's right. Okay. That's good. And then I'd like come out and like, Oh, an hour went by. Okay, well, but I got, you know, that was interesting. So it's kind of this, you know, need to not do, you know, technical stuff as well.
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Yes.
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Yeah, and just one more thing about that is that there's what I call effortless focus, which is basically when you open, again, I won't do this glimpse because it's visual, because it makes you open your awareness up. But when you open to be aware from a more awareness-based rather than thought-based knowing that's embodied and has a feeling of unity, you are no longer using attention to focus.
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You're using local awareness, which is part of the field. So you're literally focusing from this mind, which isn't moving. So I had or have some ADHD as a kid. So I just don't use the ADHD mind. And if the ADHD mind comes up and goes like, I want to help. It's like, you don't have to help with this. You can help with some other stuff later on. Okay, good. I'll go play. Absolutely.
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But the focus is literally an effortless focus because you're focusing from the field that feels like the field of awareness, aliveness. So when you try to meditate, the classic thing is the first stage is often watch your breath when your mind wanders, bring it back. So the wandering mind is the small mind and the chattering mind. You can be aware of that as an object.
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when it's no longer the subject, it's like, you know, a shoulder that has a lot of activity in it, maybe even a little pain. So this may have a little pain, this have a little activity is trying to do this. It has a habit of trying to focus. And it's like, don't, we don't need to focus from there. Let's focus from this field.
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of this awareness-based mind, and it's amazing that, you know, again, that's what people in flow, this guy Csikszentmihalyi, right, who did this study of flow, said there are seven qualities of flow, which you're totally in the present, you're able to, you know the activity you're doing, but you have a sense of joy or ecstasy, and the task itself is enough, and you feel there's a timelessness,
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It's like a school-age stage of or being in therapy for some years. And then it literally, the view of you from where you're looking from and from where you're aware from and what is supporting you just changes. is what all spiritualities and religions are talking about, and yet we can put it in fairly simple, common language, and anybody can use any language they want.
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and a feeling that you've gone beyond your ego. And there's a feeling of interconnection with this field. And that's like people in any flow playing music or sports, or even studied middle managers who were in flow.
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Yeah, and one of the IFS maps that I've added, Dick Schwartz, who created it, and I have co-taught together on things like accessing self, because he's mapped out parts so brilliantly and exquisitely, and I've kind of mapped out self or true nature or awareness. And so the key is that most therapies do good therapy and good work from a compassionate part. So bring compassion to the part.
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But that's like small C, compassion. And you only know that when you upgrade to this awake, aware, heart, mind that is who you are, is greater than yourself, and essentially who you are, that then isn't looking from outside two apart as if there's two. It's like ocean is now, oh, we're the same. Oh, same, same. And you're part of me, and I'm part of you, and I see you're trying to –
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you know, help and I can see your struggles and do you feel me? Do you feel I'm with you? And I'm the one you've been looking for. You know, we're both looking for love and connection and you've been trying and you've been stuck in this kind of time prison, which is, you know, like a,
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Childhood view of the world. And that you don't even know it when it comes up, it just sees the world that way. And it feels that, you know, there's threat around based on what was going on there, but it projects it onto this.
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So, you know, that was a great healing for me is working with these parts and finding, you know, the deeper shame-based parts or ones that were younger or some pre-verbal ones where you can't even They have no words. They're just like a mother tiger in the root. You know, it was just like, argh.
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It was just like, okay, I got you. Yeah, but I'm stronger than you. And we're not going to let anyone mess with us.
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But the experience of shifting out of this small, thought-based, I think, therefore I am, or what people call ego identity, or small self, whatever that is, that feeling of where are you listening to me from? right now. So one of the keys in bringing it together is that ego center is an ego function and doesn't need to be killed or gotten rid of. It's not ultimately an illusion.
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Yes, yeah.
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Yeah, thank you. Me too. It's great to kind of like immediately connect and, you know, have our mutual appreciation of the work because, you know, I appreciate you and your willingness to share with people, to be that beacon and to willing to go into the darkness too with your beacon with people because that's the harder work. And yet if you have the light, it's like, it's okay. It's okay.
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It's going to be okay. We're going to be okay.
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Yeah. And just to say that how I discovered it, I came back from doing this kind of meeting this Dzogchen teacher that I had done long retreats and all of a sudden within three minutes, he kind of showed me my own mind or just pointed it out. And I was like, what am I going to do with this? You know, like, well, probably, you know, just whatever it is, that's what I'm going to do with my life.
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And then I came back and finished this joint degree with clinical social work and master in divinity in New York and went into outpatient psych. And all of a sudden I was bringing it up with people who were, you know, coming out of psychiatric hospitals, halfway houses and stuff. And one person,
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a woman who was, you know, I had known and she'd been in and out of hospital and she'd said, you know, there's a part of me that's, you know, today I need to, you're the only one I'll tell that I feels like hurting myself. And I said, okay. And I said, and are there any other parts around? And she went, well, yeah, there's another part that, you know, wants to figure this out and make it okay.
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And I just said, well, who's aware of both those parts? And she said, me, me. I said, what do you mean me? She goes, I don't know me, you know, like it's me. I'm aware of those, those, those parts. And she just like, Well, like, right. I know me, but how come I forgot me?
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You know, like, and so it literally is that close and doesn't require, you know, long study and reading all these books and doing long retreats and stuff. It's just finding your own. way of navigating your own consciousness and which doorways.
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So in this app that I have, I create different doors for different learning styles and obstacles because not everyone can do the what's here now when there's no problem to solve. Not everyone can drop into their body. But once you learn your little okay, oh, just have awareness go back and then drop down, open up and include everything. That's it.
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Once that is real, you just shift into the natural because it's already installed in us.
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Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of what I spent my time creating is I just felt like, okay, I've written two books, and I have these courses, and they're good. But the app, I know some people don't like using their phone, but it's just like, well, give somebody a short way to do a glimpse in their pocket.
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And once they don't need, you know, the role of a teacher is to introduce you to your inner teacher. So you don't need to have a teacher. Once you get some fine tuning and get a little understanding, you can find your own way home and see what works for you and make it your individual thing. And then check in with friends and colleagues and support and therapists as well.
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So I created this kind of non-dual app called Mindful Glimpses. And then I'm doing a teacher facilitator training program that has three parts. So I started the first part.
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part now and will probably continue for those who want to kind of go deeper so it's not somebody who necessarily wants to teach it but kind of what is it how do you do it how do you maintain how do you go through all five levels so that you can live it because that's what needs a little bit of a teacher support once you get to the cul-de-sacs you need a little a little pointer because you can kind of stay in those round and round and in the whirlpools you know
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it's a helpful part of us, but it's exhausted.
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I love you too. And please give my heart to Emilio as well.
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Not the whole of us, that's right.
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Sure. Yeah. And we'll do a couple of what I call glimpses, which are... which is the way that in the midst of your life you can literally learn to navigate your own consciousness using technology that is in some ways some of the more advanced non-dual meditation practices of Dzogchen and Mahamudra and these other that have these simple moves once you know the territory.
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So it's not just an esoteric thing that's for the Olympic athletes of meditation, or you have to go off, join a monastery, or live in a cave.
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So the territory is everyday mind is what we walk around in, everyday mind and body. that we're trying our best to survive. So like really a lot of protective parts of us, our main, you know, survive and thrive is our, our motivation for any animal that we are. Right. And then we develop school age.
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We secondary process thinking where we have to be independent as we grow up from first, we're dependent on our parents and we're just responding and And then we have to be independent. We develop an ego function, which knows how to just crawl around. And now we have to have an identity that says, what do I need to do? Where do I live?
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And it starts to create this thinking-centered I, which is an important function. But who is that all occurring to?
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So the premise of this throughout the world, what's been called awakening in all these traditions, is there is already here this awakeness within all of us, many people call it being or interbeing is what Thich Nhat Hanh called it, or presence, consciousness itself, prior to personality, but with personality.
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So it's the ocean that arises as a wave of our uniqueness, and you're a wave and I'm a wave, but we're really a little bit more the ocean than the individual wave. So finding that dimension, which often is initially found almost as the sky before it becomes the ocean. So let me just say that there's a kind of a... physical identification and then a mental identification.
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So it becomes almost like we're a cloud of sensations. And then rather than fixing the cloud, which we do with psychology and even some spiritual practices, just calm the body, fix the symptoms, and then we're kind of a calmer ego. But there's an existential dissatisfaction underneath because our identity isn't truly who we are. So there's always this, no matter how calm and
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how many people I've met in New York who, like, I've got everything going for me. I've got family, friends, success, life. I do meditation. I eat well. I got diet. And there's something missing. Yes. Like, what is this?
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And this is what this is, that there is this dimension, and it's often, you know, religious language has been the tradition, but then it can be spiritual but not religious, and now you can be consciousness-based. and or any of the other combination. So there is this awake, aware consciousness like the sky that's alert.
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Let's do one where we're going to go from head to heart space.
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And if you just open to the space in the room and just then be aware of the space as the space, the background awareness, and then come back, include the cloud. So step out of the cloud into the sky, recognize you're also the sky, and then come back. You're not spacing out or spiritually bypassing, you're coming right back.
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But now you're aware from this non-thought dimension that ultimately is what the most highly functional happy people call being in flow consciousness. So with open eyes, the fifth level of mind that we're going to is what I call awake loving flow.
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So it has this awakeness, it has this love, this heart, but then it's operating without trusting that thought, sensation, emotion is available within our consciousness that already knows how to walk and talk and create and relate. And then you can respond. So that waking up from discovering some kind of new mind, which I call a wake-aware mind,
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So you're aware of it and then as it, but then pretty quickly you realize you can't stay in the pure awareness for more than a few seconds. You can stay in it as a meditation, but as soon as you're aware of anything, you either have to go back to the mind to use attention, or you have to come from kind of a mindful witness consciousness, which is disembodied.
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Yes, yeah. And that's a lot of why I kind of talk about these levels. I'm just trying to say, like, keep going. Come on, keep going. Like, that's good, but check out this. Oh, that's even better. But don't stay there. Come on home. You know, like, you come back from that pure awareness, which a lot of people establish as, I'm awake, I'm only pure awareness, everything else is illusion.
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Whereas this is saying, no, in this more Buddhist non-duality, that Pure awareness is... the same is not separate from the relative everyday appearances, thoughts, feelings, sensations. And when those two feel together, there's this unity mind or what a lot of people experience when they do psychedelics and they experience a kind of a oneness or a feeling of like, oh, everything's the same as me.
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Like I'm the tree and the tree is, you know, they get like a hit of that almost, you know, extreme form of a peak experience of this. that when we walk around in more of a unity mind, you just feel like everything's friendly, like there's not a threat from anything, because you're not in the survival mode of the brain.
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You feel like you can respond, and then you start to feel this heart-mind, which is kind of an embracing feeling in IFS they call it self and self leadership where you start to lead from self with a capital S rather than small self and or true nature or being or Presence whatever this sense of who you are now can be aware of parts that are both the manager
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The judge and the critic can come in like, what are you doing? You're going to lose this. You go, oh, thank you for sharing. Or the shame-based parts start to come up, and this is the only dimension that can bear what seemed to be unbearable.
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Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, that so yeah, exactly. Thaw out as those are the kind of the good phrases, just say you're going to thaw out, you've been frozen, or you're going to detox because you've been agitated, you've been filled with agitation and kind of feels like toxic, and you have to detox that or if you shut down, you're more frozen.
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So this is the whole the whole picture is that the fully, you know, fully infinite and intimate, you know, the divine and the human, the sacred and the