Loch Kelly

studying with some wonderful meditation teachers, and then just being enthralled, being just like, oh my God, this is real and this works and this makes my life so much better, but I need both.

Yes. Yeah. And this is why I kind of do these stages because people get caught halfway or they get stuck in the initial awakening. They wake up from a kind of ego-centered feeling of who they are, but then they stop at either a pure awareness or no self or kind of like, oh, I'm free of that. And then this part takes over that's kind of like an adolescent, oh, everything's relative.

Yes. Yeah. And this is why I kind of do these stages because people get caught halfway or they get stuck in the initial awakening. They wake up from a kind of ego-centered feeling of who they are, but then they stop at either a pure awareness or no self or kind of like, oh, I'm free of that. And then this part takes over that's kind of like an adolescent, oh, everything's relative.

Yes. Yeah. And this is why I kind of do these stages because people get caught halfway or they get stuck in the initial awakening. They wake up from a kind of ego-centered feeling of who they are, but then they stop at either a pure awareness or no self or kind of like, oh, I'm free of that. And then this part takes over that's kind of like an adolescent, oh, everything's relative.

I can just do what I want. And We all know the stories of how many gurus and teachers who had initial awakenings. I've actually worked with them. Certainly, I've worked with a lot of people who were hurt by them and helped them with their trauma. But I've also, with about five different teachers who acted out physically, violently, emotionally, with money, with sex, with drugs.

I can just do what I want. And We all know the stories of how many gurus and teachers who had initial awakenings. I've actually worked with them. Certainly, I've worked with a lot of people who were hurt by them and helped them with their trauma. But I've also, with about five different teachers who acted out physically, violently, emotionally, with money, with sex, with drugs.

I can just do what I want. And We all know the stories of how many gurus and teachers who had initial awakenings. I've actually worked with them. Certainly, I've worked with a lot of people who were hurt by them and helped them with their trauma. But I've also, with about five different teachers who acted out physically, violently, emotionally, with money, with sex, with drugs.

And it's just like the curiosity of like, well, what happened? And so in some ways, I'll just say as we get back to our main topic here, in some ways, if you wake up, you have to continue to grow up. And if you're growing up, at some point you reach a level where you have a strong, healthy ego. You have to wake up even from that.

And it's just like the curiosity of like, well, what happened? And so in some ways, I'll just say as we get back to our main topic here, in some ways, if you wake up, you have to continue to grow up. And if you're growing up, at some point you reach a level where you have a strong, healthy ego. You have to wake up even from that.

And it's just like the curiosity of like, well, what happened? And so in some ways, I'll just say as we get back to our main topic here, in some ways, if you wake up, you have to continue to grow up. And if you're growing up, at some point you reach a level where you have a strong, healthy ego. You have to wake up even from that.

Because even a strong, healthy ego cannot bear a fully emotional human life. Because the emotions and the tenderness and the sensitivity and the healing of everyday trauma, which we all have, requires something greater than our small self. And so... waking up for me is a developmental stage.

Because even a strong, healthy ego cannot bear a fully emotional human life. Because the emotions and the tenderness and the sensitivity and the healing of everyday trauma, which we all have, requires something greater than our small self. And so... waking up for me is a developmental stage.

Because even a strong, healthy ego cannot bear a fully emotional human life. Because the emotions and the tenderness and the sensitivity and the healing of everyday trauma, which we all have, requires something greater than our small self. And so... waking up for me is a developmental stage.

So it's not just an esoteric thing that's for the Olympic athletes of meditation, or you have to go off, join a monastery or live in a cave. That my hope and what I've seen with thousands now of people is it's possible in the midst of any daily life to learn some tools. And if you're dedicated and consistent, It's just like a stage of development.

So it's not just an esoteric thing that's for the Olympic athletes of meditation, or you have to go off, join a monastery or live in a cave. That my hope and what I've seen with thousands now of people is it's possible in the midst of any daily life to learn some tools. And if you're dedicated and consistent, It's just like a stage of development.

So it's not just an esoteric thing that's for the Olympic athletes of meditation, or you have to go off, join a monastery or live in a cave. That my hope and what I've seen with thousands now of people is it's possible in the midst of any daily life to learn some tools. And if you're dedicated and consistent, It's just like a stage of development.

It's like a school-age stage of or being in therapy for some years. And then it literally, the view of you from where you're looking from and from where you're aware from and what is supporting you just changes. is what all spiritualities and religions are talking about, and yet we can put it in fairly simple, common language, and anybody can use any language they want.

It's like a school-age stage of or being in therapy for some years. And then it literally, the view of you from where you're looking from and from where you're aware from and what is supporting you just changes. is what all spiritualities and religions are talking about, and yet we can put it in fairly simple, common language, and anybody can use any language they want.

It's like a school-age stage of or being in therapy for some years. And then it literally, the view of you from where you're looking from and from where you're aware from and what is supporting you just changes. is what all spiritualities and religions are talking about, and yet we can put it in fairly simple, common language, and anybody can use any language they want.

But the experience of shifting out of this small, thought-based, I think, therefore I am, or what people call ego identity, or small self, whatever that is, that feeling of where are you listening to me from? right now. So one of the keys in bringing it together is that ego center is an ego function and doesn't need to be killed or gotten rid of. It's not ultimately an illusion.