Louis Theroux

First of all, thank you for the Theroux method.

I didn't know what it was.

It sounds a bit like a massage technique, right?

Or musicians use it to improve their posture when they're playing their instruments, the Theroux technique.

It's controversial.

I've got the through method.

I apologise for having propagated a journalistic method.

I do think that there's parallels.

I mean, just purely technically and structurally, they occupy the exact same place in their respective programmes, that you see them both three times and the climactic moment of both films involves...

a showdown, as it were, where I basically present my case and say, here's why I have a problem with what you're doing.

Having gathered my data, having done my research and due diligence, I'm presenting my case against you.

She pushes me.

He pushes me virtually in the sense of he actually films me.

Instead of pushing me, he does something much smarter, which is he films me, live streams me, and then crowdsources questions that will embarrass me

and then clips them and goes viral with me looking stupid.

That's the first observation.

What do they have in common objectively as people?

It's just, yeah, I think a quality of shamelessness.

In a culture based on shame, if you're shameless, it's a superpower.

If you're unembarrassable, if you have complete conviction...