Louis Theroux

I think they now have to exist in a jungle alongside all the other beasts, if you like, big beasts of Spotify, Netflix, TikTok, and so on.

So, you know, the mainstream or legacy outlets still have enormous influence, but, and as does academia, but yeah,

They don't monopolize the conversation the way they did.

And I also think that the idea of like 50 years ago or 35, 40 years ago, many of the same ideas existed.

You know, Trumpism, it wasn't called that, but there was a sort of nativist outlook that was embodied by certain politicians, but it tended to be gatekept out of the conversation to an extent.

Geopolitics is a nice segue.

We can touch this or not.

I'll be guided by you.

The Riyadh Comedy Festival was in the news.

Yeah, no, I played it.

I loved it.

So I hear.

I loved it.

I thought, I think we need to... Some comedians... Oh, well, it was controversial.

Yeah, yeah.

Because of the human rights record of Saudi Arabia.

There's been a lot about so-called sports washing.

I guess this would have been perceived as laughter washing, or I don't know what.

Some comedians elected to stay away and spoke out about it.

Shane Gillis, very funny man.