Louisa Zissman

The reason I'm calling is because I've just listened to your Eleanor Cain podcast and it really resonated with me.

But there were two extra things I just wanted to add that I've picked up over the years that people have told me.

which I pass on to my kids.

And one of them is CIA.

And that's where I just turn around and say, look, can you control it?

Whatever it is that's making you anxious?

If not, can you influence it?

And if you can't influence it or control it, then you just need to accept it and find a way of accepting it.

So I find that quite helpful.

And the other one is HOPE, the acronym HOPE.

But the acronym HOPE stands for Hold On, Pain Ends.

And I really like that as well.

That's amazing.

Like Owen was saying, being able to turn around to somebody who's suffering from anxiety and saying, do you know what?

This isn't going to be forever.

This is something that feels big at the moment, but it will be okay.

And I just wanted to pass those two things on because they've been helpful to me and they may be helpful to somebody else.

Anyway, love the pod.

Like I say, I just want to do a quick shout out to Faye Higgs, who's a friend who we found out over dinner in London the other week.

We both listened to the pod.