Louise Ayrey

And then he kind of goes, sorry about that, but negative.

And then he'll throw something at you, sort of some positivity and things.

And I think that that kind of represents sort of how he approaches things.

He's quite a realist.

It's the good and the bad.

It's the, you know, yes, this is happening, but it's not the end of the world.

You have a conversation about what you're both reading because you both know you're engaged in the same thing.

I thought he said something really interesting at the end when he said, well, we all live in a bubble.

And I think we do.

And so we've been talking about assuming good faith and we've been talking about finding what we have in common and understanding someone else's perspectives and things.

And I think it's actually...

We've got to remember we are in a bubble.

A lot of the people around us probably do have the same values and ideas and opinions as we do.

So it is really important.

And look, I do this a lot with my podcasts.

I'll listen to podcasts if I'm doing American politics.

I'll listen to them from the right and the left so that you have an understanding of it.

Yeah.

So maybe if we're struggling with something, that's what, you know, we need to be a little bit more proactive about being a bit broader in where we get our information from.

And you mentioned that too with the algorithm and social media.