Louise

And that's what I'm saying.

I grew up in Clondalkin.

I've reared my children in Clondalkin.

And I mean, it's not an affluent area.

But I mean, at the end of the day, if...

if you rear your children properly and you do the things that you're supposed to do, like sending them to school... I'm not denying there's an element of parental responsibility, but there has to be, like, deprivation is a factor.

No, but if you look recently, Ciarán, and I have seen protests in the recent past

And parents brought their children to a protest when those children should have been in school.

They had children on the protest line when they should have been in school.

Rather than punishing parents.

There are some of those services there for parents.

The unfortunate thing is

that a lot of the parents won't attend.

I have actually been involved where there were courses ran, parenting courses, and they just won't show up.

But the parents that actually do want to parent their children will show up.

Yes, but then those parents that don't... It's unfortunate that the parents that really need to go won't go.

So I grew up... So I live in Northern Ireland, in Belfast, in Northern Ireland.

And I grew up with a father who ran his own business.

Now, his business started in the 1970s.

Northern Ireland was a very different place then.