Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling
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first heard Dec 2025
last heard 21 Jan
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Well, if it were to happen tomorrow, then yes, because Greenland by statute is part of Denmark, which is an allied nation, part of the 32 members of NATO.
So you brought up at the top of the show about how it would institute a dynamic within the NATO headquarters where, you know, the key questions of both Article 4 and Article 5 is,
Do you have to be protected from some type of foreign invasion if you're a member of NATO?
And do you come together in Brussels to debate that?
So any nation that might be attacked, in this case, Denmark, one of their outlying islands, has been attacked.
So they would immediately go to NATO headquarters and say, let's invoke those articles.
that NATO is so famous for.
So yeah, it would be illegal, in my view, to do that.
Now, I'm not a lawyer or an international affairs guru in terms of the legal implications of something like that, but I gotta tell you, Nicole, if I was in command of a large organization and was asked to do that, I certainly would throw the question down.
Tom was baiting me a minute ago.
He knows to do that very well, saying, where are the rest of the military guys standing up to say this?
Well, some of them will stand up and there have been several that have already retired.
You're never going to see the active duty guys say this, but I'm hoping that they are fighting behind the scenes to say, we can't do this.
Mr. President, this is wrong.
And that's the kind of thing we saw in the first administration when General Milley and General Kelly and Secretary Esper were all telling him he could not do the kinds of things he wanted to do.
I believe it is, Mika.
What you're talking about is a soda straw look at a couple of individuals on floating debris.
What you're not seeing is the context of a widening picture that shows they're in the middle of an ocean.
Imagine yourself falling off of a cruise ship and being asked to hang on to a piece of wood after you've just been struck.
with a large kinetic round that has killed nine of your 11 co-pilots on this boat.
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