Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 7 Jul
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And they do things differently.
Some are landlocked.
Some are small, like Estonia.
I mean, I always use the case of Estonia, a small country with less than 2 million people.
Are they going to give up 5% of their GDP, which is pretty precious to them, for this?
No.
What they do instead is say, hey, we will offer you, because we have experience and some pretty good capabilities, cyber defense.
So the NATO Cyber Defense Center of Excellence is in Estonia.
Poland has said back in 2004 that they wanted to build the strongest military in Europe to prevent further invasions like they've experienced multiple times.
So for the last couple of decades, they've been pouring a lot of money in it.
They are now at 4.2% of their GDP, the highest in NATO.
So whenever we hear President Trump saying everybody's now at 5%, that's not even close to being true.
Poland is the biggest one with 4.2, but that's been a two decades long plan.
And by the way, as long as we're talking about that, the United States doesn't hit 5% of GDP in our defense spending.
If we did, we would have to spend a half a trillion dollars more per year than what we're spending right now.
And it all wouldn't go to NATO because we are a worldwide force.
So these are the kind of canards that Trump is throwing out there about the NATO alliance and basing it all instead of understanding of what
are made by the various countries and how they see national security, he's suggesting all of them should be this high level of price and also do all the things the same.
Yeah.
And I think HECSA's in the same boat too, by the way.
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