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Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

They have certain views about sex and gender. Case closed. They have certain views about old America. Case closed. Certain views about tariffs. Forget the evidence. Right. That's the situation we're in now.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

They have certain views about sex and gender. Case closed. They have certain views about old America. Case closed. Certain views about tariffs. Forget the evidence. Right. That's the situation we're in now.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

They have certain views about sex and gender. Case closed. They have certain views about old America. Case closed. Certain views about tariffs. Forget the evidence. Right. That's the situation we're in now.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

Yeah, and the more information we get, the more we feel we don't control our environment. And that's frightening. And the tech futurists, they have this idea that, well, we're going to know so much. But a lot of what we have to know is what other people are like. But other people are changing all the time. And they're changing because things out in material life are changing.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

Yeah, and the more information we get, the more we feel we don't control our environment. And that's frightening. And the tech futurists, they have this idea that, well, we're going to know so much. But a lot of what we have to know is what other people are like. But other people are changing all the time. And they're changing because things out in material life are changing.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

Yeah, and the more information we get, the more we feel we don't control our environment. And that's frightening. And the tech futurists, they have this idea that, well, we're going to know so much. But a lot of what we have to know is what other people are like. But other people are changing all the time. And they're changing because things out in material life are changing.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

And so it's not that you, oh, we have this information that comes out from a stable world and then we navigate it. It's not that. It's that we're surfing and causing the waves at the same time. And so our ability to master anything is, or when things go wrong, we don't have. You know, someone once pointed out to me that if you look at all the history of utopian schemes, none of them have prisons.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

And so it's not that you, oh, we have this information that comes out from a stable world and then we navigate it. It's not that. It's that we're surfing and causing the waves at the same time. And so our ability to master anything is, or when things go wrong, we don't have. You know, someone once pointed out to me that if you look at all the history of utopian schemes, none of them have prisons.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

And so it's not that you, oh, we have this information that comes out from a stable world and then we navigate it. It's not that. It's that we're surfing and causing the waves at the same time. And so our ability to master anything is, or when things go wrong, we don't have. You know, someone once pointed out to me that if you look at all the history of utopian schemes, none of them have prisons.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

They're ideal cities. You know, there's no sense that anything could go wrong. Right. And the tech futurists are like that. They don't seem to want to recognize the limits of what we can take in and our need. You know, we can't wake up every morning asking ourselves whether today is going to be a day when our parents love us or it's one of those days when they're not. Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

They're ideal cities. You know, there's no sense that anything could go wrong. Right. And the tech futurists are like that. They don't seem to want to recognize the limits of what we can take in and our need. You know, we can't wake up every morning asking ourselves whether today is going to be a day when our parents love us or it's one of those days when they're not. Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

They're ideal cities. You know, there's no sense that anything could go wrong. Right. And the tech futurists are like that. They don't seem to want to recognize the limits of what we can take in and our need. You know, we can't wake up every morning asking ourselves whether today is going to be a day when our parents love us or it's one of those days when they're not. Right.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

We need to have a kind of continuity in our beliefs just to get through the day. If we changed our beliefs, every second that we got new information, we'd be frozen in time. So we need to kind of commit to an opinion for a while.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

We need to have a kind of continuity in our beliefs just to get through the day. If we changed our beliefs, every second that we got new information, we'd be frozen in time. So we need to kind of commit to an opinion for a while.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

We need to have a kind of continuity in our beliefs just to get through the day. If we changed our beliefs, every second that we got new information, we'd be frozen in time. So we need to kind of commit to an opinion for a while.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

Well, with regard to politics, I guess the first thing is to notice what is happening. I mean, to notice this will to ignorance, and how it pops up. And it can pop up on every side. I mean, if you just look at the reaction of the White House under Biden and the press in his last years, the strong refusal to believe their lying eyes was extraordinary, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

Well, with regard to politics, I guess the first thing is to notice what is happening. I mean, to notice this will to ignorance, and how it pops up. And it can pop up on every side. I mean, if you just look at the reaction of the White House under Biden and the press in his last years, the strong refusal to believe their lying eyes was extraordinary, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

Well, with regard to politics, I guess the first thing is to notice what is happening. I mean, to notice this will to ignorance, and how it pops up. And it can pop up on every side. I mean, if you just look at the reaction of the White House under Biden and the press in his last years, the strong refusal to believe their lying eyes was extraordinary, right?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

But the other thing in the moment is that, as you said, conservatism is dead. These people are not conservatives. And that you're up against reactionary forces that are all about will and not about understanding. And they have to be met by other sorts of means. But we can give up our own quest for understanding precisely these things.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America

But the other thing in the moment is that, as you said, conservatism is dead. These people are not conservatives. And that you're up against reactionary forces that are all about will and not about understanding. And they have to be met by other sorts of means. But we can give up our own quest for understanding precisely these things.