Lucy Biggers

that even took me a while to get through, is that the climate movement actually is not a force for good.

It's not your friend.

And I think hearing that, depending on where you're coming from, sounds very extreme.

But when you actually look at its impacts on reality with the energy costs going up, our dependence on our adversaries for energy, whether it's China, the renewable industry,

supply chain or even like Europe having to use Russia.

And then also the nihilism, the anxiety among young people, basically a mental health crisis for young people, all of these things.

Oh, and also I will say the filification of fossil fuels, which I think are the best technology that's ever happened in the last 150 years.

When you take all those things objectively, this is not a neutral movement.

It's actually hurting society.

And the quicker people can kind of come to that conclusion and help push against these really destructive narratives, I think the better.

Yeah.

Yes.

But of course, like for whatever reason, that was also like a third rail and you weren't allowed to support nuclear energy, like supporting nuclear energy in the climate movement when I was a part of it.

was like edgy.

If you're like, well, I support nuclear.

Like they basically, because the climate movement that I was in was kind of like a degrowth society that like hated the West.

So they were just like, just solar and wind, which are the worst technologies.

And nuclear now has kind of come back.

And there's a lot of practical people, I will say, who support nuclear.

But back in my very activist-y world, nuclear was not seen as a solution.