Lucy Meggeson

But what frustrates me is that, and this is why I think this conversation is so important, is that the reason or part of the reason why so many people are settling is

is because of this pressure that if you don't get married and you don't have kids, there is something fundamentally wrong with you and you are not doing life in the right way.

So, of course, what happens is that, you know, women like a single woman might start seeing someone.

She might be able to see the red flags, but ignore them or choose to ignore them and just think, do you know what?

Anything is better than being single.

And that's where I swoop in and go, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm here to tell you differently because it is never, and I fully believe this with all my heart, it is never better to be in the wrong relationship than it is to be single.

No, I agree.

And going back to what you just said about how things started happening once you got divorced.

Come on.

She has.

And do you know what, though?

I have to say that, speaking of Madonna, I loved her.

She was really my era.

When I was growing up in the 80s, I absolutely loved her.

But I haven't really followed Madonna for the last few years because...

I haven't necessarily liked her.

I mean, she hasn't, I don't know that she's produced much music recently.

Okay.

Well, I have got no idea what she's doing music-wise now, but in terms of her relationship status, I don't think that she's been married for... Has she been married since Guy Ritchie?