Luigi Vendittelli

So he arranged that, and we had some exchanges, and he eventually invited me to go out to his house, and I spent...

you know some lot of lots of time with david and that relationship became very important to me because he saw how incredibly interested i interested i was in learning this but learning this on a professional level not just a superficial booklet like you could read a lot about this stuff but it's also

written in a way so it's digestible for people.

David, yeah, my bad.

David Jacobs was one of the most respected researchers in abductions in the world.

He was one of the reasons why John Mack also got involved in this.

Was a psychologist.

Right.

No, actually, no.

No, he's a PhD in history.

He's a history PhD, but he's not a psychologist.

Known for regression, absolutely.

He started... When I met him, he had already been involved in this for 40 years.

So he had a lot of experience in it.

And when I went to his house, for anybody who knows...

the abduction experts back then it was like bud hopkins was one of those david had all of bud hopkins work in his basement all of it wow and so it's a lot of work oh yeah and i went down he took me downstairs in his base in his basement i'll never forget and it was filled almost to the to where the windows were because it like i'm talking stacks of files

filing cabinets and cassette tapes you know the the cassette tapes i mean thousands of them

And he said, this is all of Bud's work.

I hope that's digitized somewhere.

So I was, myself and Randall Nickerson knew that that was at David's house.