Luisa Zisman

So yes, and all the agencies involved have been named and nobody taking that accountability and no one being a lead.

Do you know what I mean?

A lead agency to say all these things, including the parents.

And I think as well, there was a repeated tendency to excuse his behaviour, including violence, based on him having ASD, autism spectrum disorder.

Again, that's not okay.

Just because someone is neurodivergent doesn't mean, oh, that's okay then.

You can't do that.

But then I think this is also, and we talk about this increasingly, I think, on Luana as well, but the significant parent failures, including not providing boundaries, permitting knives and weapons to be delivered to the home.

They're just letting him order knives, order weapons online, getting it delivered to the home, not reporting it.

And failing to report exactly crucial information in the days leading up to the attack.

In the report, they said that this guy is Axel's parents.

They face significant challenges, but ultimately failed to report the risk in the week before the attack.

The judge then said that Rudi Cabana had placed his mother and father in an extremely difficult position and their life at home.

must have become little short of a nightmare given, to use the words of his own father, that the guy, Axel, had turned into a monster.

But he found they had created significant obstructions to engagement with him by various agencies and failed to stand up to his behaviour and set boundaries, as well as failing to report a clear escalation in his risk.

He said if his parents had done what they morally ought to have done, he would not have been at liberty to conduct the attack if it would therefore and it therefore would not have occurred.

And I think this is what's so devastating about this, because there are three families out there and all of their communities that have now lost their little girls forever.

Because there is now questions I was seeing on the telly, there's big debates now over whether some political parties are saying his parents should be removed from the country.

Really?

And so this is what's creating debate.