Luke Caverns
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first heard Dec 2024
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And then they drill a hole there and you can pour the vase, right? And then I thought, oh, that's really interesting. Like, what the heck are the Mycenaeans doing with these Egyptian vases? Okay, that's weird. So this is roughly 1500 BC. Do they know the Egyptians? You know, so that led me down this rabbit hole. And this is maybe about a year ago this started.
So then, you know, the twin civilization or the sister civilization of the Mycenaeans is the Minoan culture. That's on Crete, which is just this island in southern Greece, you know, in the Mediterranean or at the bottom of the Aegean. And the Minoan civilization is this very attractive, literally and figuratively, civilization culture. That builds these huge, enormous three or four story palaces.
They have all these really interesting, beautiful murals on their walls. Their women are supposedly like the most beautiful women that have ever existed. You can look at their murals and it's like, wow, that's a pretty lady.
Um, and, uh, they've got these sports of them, uh, like jumping over bulls and, and they, there's even a theater and ancient games and you can just tell it's like proto classical Greece, um, you know, pre Olympics sports that are going on. It's fascinating culture. Certainly filthy rich.
And they have this, another thing that's alluring about them is the eruption of Thera and the destruction of the city of Akrotiri, which is, it's like Bronze Age Pompeii. And it's Santorini. And so the volcano erupts in about... I think it's 1650 BC and you know, just levels this city. And a lot of people think that this might be the origin.
This might be the kernel of truth that we find from Plato's Atlantis of this civilization, this advanced Minoan civilization collapsing or being destroyed by this cataclysmic event. And yeah, Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. So that's... So this is a depiction of... I forget what city that is. That might be the city of Akrotiri. Those are some of the palaces. But... So, yeah. So you have Minoan civilization.
At the very least, it's hurt. And the city of Akrotiri is completely destroyed by the fourth largest volcanic eruption in known history. Wow. Yeah. So this is about 1650 BC. It was such... an incredible event that had disrupted all the weather patterns nearby. And even Chinese dynasties recorded, not recorded the event as though they knew it was a volcano, but it affected the weather in China.
And the Chinese dynasties recorded this event. So that's a very interesting thing. It's got that similar allure to Pompeii of the city just being like frozen in time in a way or a cultural layer of the city being frozen in time because eventually people go back and build back on top of it. But incredibly advanced, incredibly elaborate, wealthy civilization existing on the islands of Greece.
And so I start just – studying about it for fun and when i'm going through their museum i notice whoa there's a lot of pre-dynastic egyptian vases in this museum or at least things that look like it that's really interesting and uh this came from when i was working at my nine to five i would take up all my company time researching minoan civilization um and uh that was a good time um so uh
Yeah, so I end up finding this collection from 1965. Ryan, you can pull it up. There's this private collection that exists on Crete. And I don't include the guy's name because I don't want to evoke his family or whatever in this. So these are... what at least he thought were specimens of actual Egyptian vases that were found on Crete.
And there are others, but I just thought that these are some of the best ones. So on the left here, you've got this Egyptian diorite vase. In the middle, it doesn't say, but that looks like granite to me. It looks like your OG vase. Um, you know, it's so finely polished. It looks like it'd be translucent. And on the right, you have this bowl. I don't know how big this bowl is.
As far as I know, these artifacts aren't, these are in a private collection. I don't think they're actually on display. Uh, although I would like to go to Crete and find out someday.
So I found this really interesting because it's this mystery of – okay, so you look at – and maybe you've seen this diagram before where they show the provenance of where these vases – where we know that these pre-dynastic hardstone vessels have been found. And right about 3100 BC, according to the – archaeological record.
Right about 3100 BC, when the first dynasty is created, dynasty zero, it ends. There's no more of these vases being made. From then on, until from 3100 BC to 2100 BC, we see them increasingly and then drastically less being buried in royal tombs. And by the end of the old kingdom, there are no more people being buried with these. You
um after 2100 bc you know according to the record there shouldn't be any more of these vases laying around they should all be underground in tombs there are no more um you know for the at least for the most part so where are these where are these vases coming from because these appear in crete and in the bronze age late bronze age greek world
um about a thousand just under a thousand years after the time they disappear from the archaeological record in egypt so i found that compelling like okay so maybe a clear maybe obvious answer is these are treasured artifacts in the egyptian world that they're using as gifts to give to you know neighboring cultures um you know i don't know how how they end up there but the the next thing i thought was interesting is is that the minoans thought that these were
so amazing that they try to recreate them in their own local stone now the minoans i may have it up here yeah so they've they they're limited to their local stones which is serpentine alabaster limestone and soapstone um and here are a few but there are many many many many many more that exist uh of these specimens of the of the minoans trying to recreate these uh
recreate these vases out of their own local stone. And I found this very interesting. And so I just kept looking into it. Okay, well, what is the relationship between the Egyptians and the Minoans? Clearly there's something going on here. And clearly the Minoans are fascinated by the Egyptians. And so this is where it gets really, really dense. Starting off on a
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe there is granite and diorite on the island of Crete. I would imagine that there is, but the Minoans weren't using it. They didn't have the tools or the expertise to be able to craft these out of them. So these are made out of stones that are half... Half as hard or soft. So yeah, so these are specimens that are created by the Minoans.
So I started researching the relationship between the Minoans and the Egyptians. Clearly there is one. Whereas in the mid-1900s, it was actually... basically a closely held opinion that there really wasn't much of a relationship between the cultures at all, and that Minoan culture is completely independent of Egyptian culture. It's not inspired by it or anything like that.
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