Luke Caverns
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 27 May
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But this woman named Carolyn Boyd has really gone to great length to see all the elements of this panel, which is like 6,000 years old. And pretty much nailed what the Weechole are still doing there. In fact, a few years back, she invited a Weechole group out to look at it and talk to them about it. And they just like burst into tears when they saw the whole thing. Yeah.
Yeah, I would add and say if I'm reaching out there a little bit or speculating or if I have a gut feeling, I think it was really interesting. I don't know. Maybe it was Paul Rosely on your podcast where he was talking about his ayahuasca experience in the Amazon. And he was saying that he felt like he shrunk down to this molecular level and he was like floating through the Amazon as like an atom.
And then eventually he – kind of moved on to another chapter and he had embodied, he became a Jaguar and started seeing the Amazon through the eyes of a Jaguar. Do you recall him telling this story?
And it's so popular these days.
Yeah. But not his body.
Yeah, but it's pretty common for people, you know, if you read experiences like just on Reddit or there are people who put together these collections of people recording their experiences on ayahuasca. And something that's pretty common is people seeing a jaguar, you know, if they're doing it down on the Amazon or being able to see through the eyes of a jaguar.
And I just always wonder if that has something to do or not with your idea of this fanged deity in the Amazon.
I think he is definitely involved in the traditions of ayahuasca and San Pedro. Sometimes there's uprooted San Pedro floating in the background of scenes with this guy. But I do want to point out, too, that... But hallucinogenic drugs are not the only way that Native Americans found a way to hallucinate and be that other world.
Starving, you know, the vision quests that were done by the Indians of the plains, those didn't involve drugs at all. That was exhaustion, starvation, and it would trigger it. For the Maya, what they would do is they would, again, starve, keep themselves in darkness, kind of sensory deprivation. And then they cut themselves. And that sudden loss of blood is what would trigger the vision.
So a really bad cut when you are starved and exhausted is the trigger point. The Native Americans in the plains, they kind of ran around. They didn't know when it was going to happen to them. They had hit their threshold.
But the Maya kind of honed it where they'd get themselves prepped, and then a quick and intense blood loss would trigger the vision.
Hallucinogens, in a way, are poisoning us. The hallucinations are our body fighting off what it thinks is something trying to kill it.
I mean this was a king thing. The kings would cut their penises and then dance around with paper tied to it, and the blood would splatter everywhere. People would see that. Then they'd put that paper in a bowl and burn it. And that blood and the smoke that it created was the conduit between this world and the other world. And through the smoke, their ancestors would come down and talk to them.
I find it fascinating that it was specifically their blood. And we talk about bloodlines. Ancestry can take my DNA and connect my kids to it. It's the fluids out of my body that actually show our proof of connection. It's funny that they specifically burned their own blood. to contact only their own ancestor. They couldn't contact anybody by burning their blood. It was somebody of their bloodline.
There are photos, not photos, but carvings that show them doing it. Yashilan, they're a little... Can you find a carving online of this? Yashilan Stila. That ought to do it. Yeah.
Y-A-X-C-H-I-L-A-N. I bet a lot of them probably died on accident by doing this. Probably. Though they did have – there was a neat ethnographic or ethnobotanical research that showed that even today – The Maya know a number of plants that are blood coagulators. Oh, really? So they can quickly stop the blood.
In fact, one of my guys in Palenque, the guys that were on the machete, she's pulling a rope through her tongue and see the bowl at her feet with paper that's kind of folded inside of it? Mm-hmm. That's she's pulling it. Women had to pull a thorny rope through their tongue and men would cut their penis. But she is she is there. It's even there.
I think there are droplets in this one or chin if you zoom in. you can see the blood actually coming out of her mouth. Yeah, that's supposed to be like the blood dripping down. And then you go down and at her feet, see the thorny, see it obviously thorny? That's the bowl with the paper in it. And that paper is going to get soaked. And in the very next scene, that paper is burning.
The smoke is turning into a big snake who's above her and burping out the first king of the Yashilam dynasty named Yat-Balam. Penis Jaguar. Penis Jaguar.
Penis Jaguar.
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