Luke O'Neill

I mean, China is huge in green energy, solar panels in wind.

I mean, they generate a huge amount of wind energy themselves, even as they're still probably opening coal fired power stations, but with the view of shutting them down as soon as they can.

That's exactly right.

And the Chinese is the good comparison because they're investing massively in research in this area.

And then secondly, their exports.

But they exported $200 billion worth of renewable equipment like solar panels and so on from China to the rest of the world.

Now, the economists would say American companies are suffering because they can't get investment.

You know, they can't get sort of research money, whereas the Chinese can.

So again, the Chinese are doing it and the Americans aren't, is the idea.

So trust in science is going to be eroded in the general public when they see all of this kind of nonsense going on.

That's the more worrying thing for us scientists because mistrust in science is a feature anyway.

And now these people will get it wrong and then science will then begin to lose even more trust in people.

Finally, Luke, what are you talking about in your podcast?

Yes, this week's podcast is the science of psoriasis, that skin disease.

A request has come in.

So all about psoriasis and what it is and what the therapies are and so on.

So that's the topic.

Luke O'Neill, Professor of Biochemistry at Trinity College in Dublin.

Thank you very much for joining us.

Small talk.