Luke Rodgers
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115 appearances
2 recordings
2 series
first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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As you talked about, measure, touch, feel, and then we've got to validate within that. And I guess the irony is that we talked to a guy on the show, Dr. Craig Keener, and he's been recording miracles. Like, he's got volumes of modern miracles. Oh, yeah. And these are from the West and from outside the West, but they're happening. They're still happening. They're happening in the West.
You just don't hear about them, which is wild. Well, no, no. Because God's still doing miracles. Of course he is. It's his business.
We asked that question, Si. We asked him, if you were to say, why do you think? Maybe he is. There's not a formula to it, right? A miracle is really just, its basis is God intervening into the natural and something supernatural, something outside of the norm happens. Like you have this healing or an arm grows back or whatever. And he said, Craig said his opinion is,
There's not a formula, but God acts in the miraculous at the cutting edge of evangelism. So when his name is on the line and people will come to him, God intervenes.
So we see on the show a lot. Have you ever seen a movie called The Usual Suspects? Anybody seen that? You know what I'm talking about? Nevermind then, it's a good reference. But essentially, in the movie, he said the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world it didn't exist. And I think that's kind of where we live.
We live in a time where a lot of people don't believe that the devil exists or that Satan exists. And if that is your worldview, And you don't have, as you talked about, this sort of army of darkness or kingdom of darkness warring against the kingdom of God. It's very hard to contextualize a lot of these things. And they'll say those things don't happen.
But you're like, man, this happened in the Bible. Christ goes to the man of the tombs, casts out a legion, thousands of demons. Yeah. Out of a man. And this happens today. We've had exorcists on the show.
Oh, yeah, I've seen it.
Yeah, but you look at, like, what do they talk about? So if we're here and we're in the United States, then most people will say, oh, that's mental illness or it's schizophrenia, and these things get diagnosed away as let's just give them another drug. Sometimes it is those things. Sometimes it is that.
Of course, I think exorcists that we talk to actually have a pretty good protocol being like, do you have a mental illness or are you demonized or possessed?
Right? Yeah. Okay.
Right.
I think we live in a time when we want to be able to empirically, as I said, measure, explain, hypothesize everything away and make it neat. And you can't do that to God. You can't put God in a box. And I think the entire story, as Nate's saying, in the Bible is literally God intervening into the story of humanity and ultimately restoring Adam and the sons of Adam back to his family, right? And...
I do think you're getting this sort of analysis, or paralysis of analysis, they say, right? Where we try to analyze everything to death, measure everything. I think what's amazing, though, to that point, is the more archeology that's done in the Middle East, the more that it confirms the Bible. Whether it be the Dead Sea Scrolls, or whether it be them finding Sodom and Gomorrah.
The more that they dig, the more that they look, the more they are finding corroboration for the stories of the Bible. And I think if we're meant to trust data, that's the way that our society works. the data is being provided, which is a pretty amazing thing, right?
Because if you're, you know, if you're living in a, somewhere else, you know, I think that it's a different, gosh, you have different needs, right? It's sort of like the first world problems, right? That we need to sort of analyze everything to death. I think you live in a different paradigm if you are,
just worried about where your next meal's coming from um if you're gonna make it that that's a completely different place i mean i spent time in southeast asia yeah as a kid or as a as a young person with with ywam and encountered families that like didn't know if they're going to be able to feed themselves after the next week or after the next three days and that's such a different place because they were trusting god to meet their needs to fill their bellies tonight and tomorrow and
It's just a different space to be like, let's try to analyze all this and make this all fit into our, into our like academic paradigm to like, man, I just need God to provide and he does. He does.
Well, I agree.
Yeah.
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