Luke Rosiak

Yeah.

And he said, you don't pay my bills.

What do I care about journalists?

And the irony is that we very much do pay the bills of home healthcare aides.

Other people were very indignant.

They didn't feel like they had to justify this money.

I talked to somebody that has like 30 charges in the courts in Ohio.

He basically threatened me, started listing the names of my family members, which seemed like an implicit threat of some sort.

And he said, yeah, I do have a very long criminal record.

I was just too dumb.

I didn't know what the law is.

So that's the best case scenario.

They're just saying, yeah, I'm just dumb.

I don't even know what the law is in America, but they paid me a million dollars.

The overall takeaway was he had no fear, probably correctly, that there's no threat here.

Nobody's going to come and knock and nobody's going to really be investigating.

You just fill out the form and the government pays you and there's no real common sense or nobody actually visiting these places where you'll see like there's clearly nobody in many of these offices.

So I didn't get the sense that the Ohio Department of Medicaid was super interested in fraud in my limited interactions with them.

The Ohio Attorney General is very angry.

He testified to the state legislature about how he doesn't really have the power to do things.