Lulu Garcia Navarro

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The Daily · 'The Interview': Antony Blinken Insists He and Biden Made the Right Calls · 4 Jan 2025 podcast
On Thursday, I sat down with Blinken at the State Department for a wide-ranging conversation about the world he's leaving behind, which, despite it all, he argues, is better than the one he inherited. Here's my conversation with Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Secretary Blinken, four years ago, you inherited the world from President Trump. And now you're about to hand it back to him.
Your tenure has been an unprecedented interregnum, if you will. Have you thought about what a strange position that is to be in?
Thinking back to when you first came into office, you know, President Biden painted a portrait of a world that was seeing a sort of battle between democracy and autocracy, a phrase that was repeatedly used. Yet at home, voters have been skeptical of that fight. Many voters bought into Trump's vision of an America that should be less involved in the world.
Why don't you think that the Biden administration and you in particular were able to convince voters of the benefit of what you have been endeavoring to do these past few years?
So you don't believe that the election was a repudiation of the vision of President Biden and your vision in particular? Because, you know, obviously, President-elect Trump has a very different idea of how to engage in the world.
I'm not asking you to do politics. I'm just asking for a little reflection on this is something you've given your life to. Obviously, the results were a disappointment. And so I wonder if that doesn't seek you to pause and reflect that perhaps that animating vision that you have –
had might not have been what Americans wanted I mean do you think there's just a changing sense in this country of our place in the world and what we owe our allies so
I want to pick up on something that you said there, which is discussing Afghanistan, because this takes us back, I think, to the beginning of your tenure. You know, I think it is reasonable to argue that American skepticism of the Biden administration's handling on foreign policy is really began with the catastrophic way we got out of Afghanistan.
There was consensus that we should absolutely end that war, but the manner in which it was done was very detrimental. You know, when President Biden first took office, there was this promise that you and everyone else that was being brought on board were the adults in the room that were going to be ending the chaos of the Trump administration.
How did that early failure in Afghanistan really change the sense? Do you think that President Biden really had this under control that you had it under control? Did it damage America's credibility?
But you've left a country that is in control of the Taliban, where... The stated dream of spreading democracy has been completely upended. Women have borne the brunt of that. You know, there's restrictions on their movements, restrictions on even their voices, what jobs they can take.
I mean, in every possible way, the manner in which this was done and the state in which Afghanistan has been left could not have been what the United States desired.
Six months after Afghanistan, Russia invaded Ukraine. That was February of 2022. I remember that moment as being terrifying. How close were we to direct conflict?
You made two early strategic decisions on Ukraine. The first, because of that fear of direct conflict, was to restrict Ukraine's use of American weapons within Russia. The second was to support Ukraine's military offensive without a parallel diplomatic track to try and end the conflict. How do you look back on those decisions now?
However, Ukraine has been left in this position now where a new administration is coming in. They have a very different view of the conflict. And one could argue that Ukraine is not in a terribly strong position to be able to navigate what comes next. We know that... President-elect Trump has members of people that surround him that are very willing to see Ukraine cede territory to Russia.
There has been no parallel diplomatic track. And the weapons are probably going to be drying up. So do you feel like you've left Ukraine in the strongest position that you could have? Or what are the things that you could have done differently?
Do you think it's time to end the war, though?
You mean that the areas that Russia controls you feel will have to be ceded?
It's interesting. What I'm hearing you say is that Ukraine's fate will no longer rest in its major supporter, the United States. You see it as resting elsewhere, Europe, etc.
Well, let me pick up on something that you said and the idea of this interregnum that you have had of picking up from Trump and handing back to Trump because this is one of the conflicts that will be handed back to Trump. And his approach to foreign policy writ large seems to be to avoid engaging militarily while wanting the world to be scared of us.
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