Lynn Thoman

I'm Lynn Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways.

Thanks for listening.

Most people think the world is split between two camps, the United States and China.

But a growing number of countries are doing something very different, working with both sides at the same time.

So the big question is, in a world where the superpowers are competing, are these middle countries quietly gaining influence?

And could they end up shaping the next global order?

Hi, everyone.

I'm Lynn Thoman, and this is Three Takeaways.

On Three Takeaways, I talk with some of the world's best thinkers, business leaders, writers, politicians, newsmakers, and scientists.

Each episode ends with three key takeaways to help us understand the world and maybe even ourselves a little better.

Today, I'm excited to be with Richard Fontaine.

Richard is one of the leading voices on US strategy and global geopolitics.

He's the CEO of the Center for New American Security and has spent years at the center of US foreign policy debates.

serving on Capitol Hill, advising senior officials, and writing widely on how the international order is shifting.

Welcome, Richard, and thanks so much for joining Three Takeaways today.

Most people assume Brazil's biggest economic partner is the United States.

It isn't.

It's China.

How did that happen?

And it's not just Brazil, it's other countries in South America as well.