Madhupe Akinnola

And, you know, we operate in this boom and bust cycle and it feels like we never learn from it.

And so there's some type of reckoning where we need to recognize, like, it's okay to grow slow.

And I want us to think more about that.

Only not.

We all just went back to work.

Exactly.

The same model.

So how do we slow down in some ways?

Yeah, I mean, I would say that I'm sure we're going to touch on AI a ton.

So I'm not going to even talk about that in this conversation right here.

But there's this New York Times article that came out towards the end of last year, beginning of this year about how CEOs are tripping.

And by that, they meant they're using psychedelics more to help them in terms of ego depletion and come up with new creative ideas and help them get unstuck.

And I kind of felt like there are other ways than going on expensive retreats.

to figure out how to address some of the big challenges that we're dealing with in society.

And I'm actually very open to all types and forms of self-knowledge and whatever it takes, I'm okay with.

But I do feel like we always go externally to kind of get clarity, but there's so much internally where we can go.

And so there was something about that that I just felt we needed more of.

So yes, I do think it's an attempt to go more internally, but I just feel like that as the panacea is not, it's not sustainable and it's not accessible to everybody.

So I'm not saying that it's a terrible idea.

I'm just saying that, you know, I pushed back a little bit on it.