Maggie Haberman

We're going to make things difficult for you, especially at a time when they are not having these mass roundups of migrants that they have been predicting.

We're going to make things difficult for you, especially at a time when they are not having these mass roundups of migrants that they have been predicting.

Correct.

Correct.

You know, you're talking about an administration where Stephen Miller, who was the architect of Trump's immigration proposals, is, as many administration officials will tell you, living his best life. He's very happy. He is enacting the policies that he wanted to see for a very long time. They are at risk of making mistakes and have made some mistakes that will come back to haunt them.

You know, you're talking about an administration where Stephen Miller, who was the architect of Trump's immigration proposals, is, as many administration officials will tell you, living his best life. He's very happy. He is enacting the policies that he wanted to see for a very long time. They are at risk of making mistakes and have made some mistakes that will come back to haunt them.

One is Abrego Garcia, Tel Salvador. The other is some deportations of children who were sick last week. One had cancer. Very advanced cancer and was deported without medicine. And so those were the kind of headlines that actually were a problem for Donald Trump in Term 1, specifically family separation policies. That was a huge debacle for the administration.

One is Abrego Garcia, Tel Salvador. The other is some deportations of children who were sick last week. One had cancer. Very advanced cancer and was deported without medicine. And so those were the kind of headlines that actually were a problem for Donald Trump in Term 1, specifically family separation policies. That was a huge debacle for the administration.

Right. But what got to that point was a broad public outrage and an outcry from a lot of elected officials. And we are seeing that to some extent. But information doesn't break through in this media ecosystem the way it did even six years ago, seven years ago. That's fascinating. And so I don't know that it'll matter the same way.

Right. But what got to that point was a broad public outrage and an outcry from a lot of elected officials. And we are seeing that to some extent. But information doesn't break through in this media ecosystem the way it did even six years ago, seven years ago. That's fascinating. And so I don't know that it'll matter the same way.

It's a little bit of both, Michael. So there were a series of promises that Trump made on the campaign trail that dovetailed with where the Republican Party and conservatives are generally, which is, you know, anti-DEI, anti-quote unquote woke, and anti-elite universities. So that is part of the plan. The retribution on law firms, I think, has been a more recent development.

It's a little bit of both, Michael. So there were a series of promises that Trump made on the campaign trail that dovetailed with where the Republican Party and conservatives are generally, which is, you know, anti-DEI, anti-quote unquote woke, and anti-elite universities. So that is part of the plan. The retribution on law firms, I think, has been a more recent development.

And that has just been something that has evolved pretty rapidly because they saw they had success. Then it moved into targeted named individual retribution. presidential memos from the Oval Office. One was Miles Taylor, who was a DHS official, and Trump won.

And that has just been something that has evolved pretty rapidly because they saw they had success. Then it moved into targeted named individual retribution. presidential memos from the Oval Office. One was Miles Taylor, who was a DHS official, and Trump won.

And one was Chris Krebs, who was a cybersecurity official who said that the election voting machines had not been rigged, that it was a safe election. Which is true. Yes, it was true, and that was his sin. His sin was stating the truth.

And one was Chris Krebs, who was a cybersecurity official who said that the election voting machines had not been rigged, that it was a safe election. Which is true. Yes, it was true, and that was his sin. His sin was stating the truth.

And Trump ordered up investigations by his administration into these two after, you know, insisting repeatedly, always with a bit of a wink, during the 2024 campaign that... Success would be his retribution after AIDS nudged him to stop talking about who he was going to get back at. Right, and success has not been... Success has not been his only retribution. Retribution has been his retribution.

And Trump ordered up investigations by his administration into these two after, you know, insisting repeatedly, always with a bit of a wink, during the 2024 campaign that... Success would be his retribution after AIDS nudged him to stop talking about who he was going to get back at. Right, and success has not been... Success has not been his only retribution. Retribution has been his retribution.

Actual retribution has been his retribution and is clearly a part that he is enjoying.

Actual retribution has been his retribution and is clearly a part that he is enjoying.