Malcolm Gladwell

But I do think there are really thoughtful ways in which we could have responded to this that would have made policing better. And giving, you know, and this guy Daniel Oster and many other police officers, many other police chiefs would say, look, we could prevent these cases in the future if you just gave us a little more discretion about who we can hire and fire on our police departments.

But I do think there are really thoughtful ways in which we could have responded to this that would have made policing better. And giving, you know, and this guy Daniel Oster and many other police officers, many other police chiefs would say, look, we could prevent these cases in the future if you just gave us a little more discretion about who we can hire and fire on our police departments.

But I do think there are really thoughtful ways in which we could have responded to this that would have made policing better. And giving, you know, and this guy Daniel Oster and many other police officers, many other police chiefs would say, look, we could prevent these cases in the future if you just gave us a little more discretion about who we can hire and fire on our police departments.

It's impossible to fire at that police officer.

It's impossible to fire at that police officer.

It's impossible to fire at that police officer.

Yeah, it's funny. I was doing my research for my series on vicious history, and I read this really, really thoughtful analysis of the case, talking about this question of union regulations and how collective bargaining agreements with police unions have made it really hard to fire bad cops, and that's a public policy reform we really need to push forward.

Yeah, it's funny. I was doing my research for my series on vicious history, and I read this really, really thoughtful analysis of the case, talking about this question of union regulations and how collective bargaining agreements with police unions have made it really hard to fire bad cops, and that's a public policy reform we really need to push forward.

Yeah, it's funny. I was doing my research for my series on vicious history, and I read this really, really thoughtful analysis of the case, talking about this question of union regulations and how collective bargaining agreements with police unions have made it really hard to fire bad cops, and that's a public policy reform we really need to push forward.

And I realized when I finished reading it, it was written by someone who was high up at Black Lives Matter. So the point is, they did say this, but it didn't, you're right, it's not, I thought this was a really important part of the message that got ignored or, and they themselves weren't making this argument by the end. And I think that was a mistake.

And I realized when I finished reading it, it was written by someone who was high up at Black Lives Matter. So the point is, they did say this, but it didn't, you're right, it's not, I thought this was a really important part of the message that got ignored or, and they themselves weren't making this argument by the end. And I think that was a mistake.

And I realized when I finished reading it, it was written by someone who was high up at Black Lives Matter. So the point is, they did say this, but it didn't, you're right, it's not, I thought this was a really important part of the message that got ignored or, and they themselves weren't making this argument by the end. And I think that was a mistake.

I think that if I was redoing, rethinking the Black Lives Matter response in retrospect, I'd do it differently. I think they should have talked much more about those kinds of very pragmatic structural changes we could make to the system that would make it easier for police officers to do their job. I'm totally with you, by the way, on hiring more police. That's, you know...

I think that if I was redoing, rethinking the Black Lives Matter response in retrospect, I'd do it differently. I think they should have talked much more about those kinds of very pragmatic structural changes we could make to the system that would make it easier for police officers to do their job. I'm totally with you, by the way, on hiring more police. That's, you know...

I think that if I was redoing, rethinking the Black Lives Matter response in retrospect, I'd do it differently. I think they should have talked much more about those kinds of very pragmatic structural changes we could make to the system that would make it easier for police officers to do their job. I'm totally with you, by the way, on hiring more police. That's, you know...

We have misallocated in America. We spend way too much money on prisons and way too little money on cops. And every criminologist who's ever studied crime will tell you that it is such a better investment to invest upfront in the prevention of crime than it is to invest at the end of the process. But there's something else I want to bring up with you.

We have misallocated in America. We spend way too much money on prisons and way too little money on cops. And every criminologist who's ever studied crime will tell you that it is such a better investment to invest upfront in the prevention of crime than it is to invest at the end of the process. But there's something else I want to bring up with you.

We have misallocated in America. We spend way too much money on prisons and way too little money on cops. And every criminologist who's ever studied crime will tell you that it is such a better investment to invest upfront in the prevention of crime than it is to invest at the end of the process. But there's something else I want to bring up with you.

on show then we're doing too much agreeing here Ben we're supposed to be at each other's throats so I wanted to here's my biggest problem with your series I think I read I think I listened to it all now correct me if I'm wrong I don't believe you talked about the John Pope case No, I didn't. So the John Pope case is the one where I really... It's from three years earlier.

on show then we're doing too much agreeing here Ben we're supposed to be at each other's throats so I wanted to here's my biggest problem with your series I think I read I think I listened to it all now correct me if I'm wrong I don't believe you talked about the John Pope case No, I didn't. So the John Pope case is the one where I really... It's from three years earlier.