Malcolm Gladwell

on show then we're doing too much agreeing here Ben we're supposed to be at each other's throats so I wanted to here's my biggest problem with your series I think I read I think I listened to it all now correct me if I'm wrong I don't believe you talked about the John Pope case No, I didn't. So the John Pope case is the one where I really... It's from three years earlier.

And it's a mom calls 911 and says, my son has assaulted me. And we have all of the body cam footage, the whole thing.

And it's a mom calls 911 and says, my son has assaulted me. And we have all of the body cam footage, the whole thing.

And it's a mom calls 911 and says, my son has assaulted me. And we have all of the body cam footage, the whole thing.

Oh, you did?

Oh, you did?

Oh, you did?

Because to my mind... That case, which is Chauvin goes into a room and there's a 14-year-old boy playing on his phone and Chauvin says, get up. And the boy says, I didn't do anything. My mom's drunk. She always calls 9-11. Chauvin says, get up. The boy slowly gets up and Chauvin says,

Because to my mind... That case, which is Chauvin goes into a room and there's a 14-year-old boy playing on his phone and Chauvin says, get up. And the boy says, I didn't do anything. My mom's drunk. She always calls 9-11. Chauvin says, get up. The boy slowly gets up and Chauvin says,

Because to my mind... That case, which is Chauvin goes into a room and there's a 14-year-old boy playing on his phone and Chauvin says, get up. And the boy says, I didn't do anything. My mom's drunk. She always calls 9-11. Chauvin says, get up. The boy slowly gets up and Chauvin says,

after like five seconds, goes to the boy, smacks him over the head repeatedly with his flashlight, draws blood, puts him in a choke hold, throws him on the ground, and then puts his knee on his neck and his other knee on his back and holds him there for 13 minutes. Now, when you see that, you're like, this was a kid, a 14-year-old. Every time I watch that video, I start crying.

after like five seconds, goes to the boy, smacks him over the head repeatedly with his flashlight, draws blood, puts him in a choke hold, throws him on the ground, and then puts his knee on his neck and his other knee on his back and holds him there for 13 minutes. Now, when you see that, you're like, this was a kid, a 14-year-old. Every time I watch that video, I start crying.

after like five seconds, goes to the boy, smacks him over the head repeatedly with his flashlight, draws blood, puts him in a choke hold, throws him on the ground, and then puts his knee on his neck and his other knee on his back and holds him there for 13 minutes. Now, when you see that, you're like, this was a kid, a 14-year-old. Every time I watch that video, I start crying.

And after watching that video, I was like, Chauvin is not a police officer. You can't do that to a 14-year-old kid whose mom's drunk. I just saw that he's in the wrong profession. He's got to do something else. And to my mind, this whole thing, the other cops, we see it in what's called the John Pope video. There are like six other cops in the room.

And after watching that video, I was like, Chauvin is not a police officer. You can't do that to a 14-year-old kid whose mom's drunk. I just saw that he's in the wrong profession. He's got to do something else. And to my mind, this whole thing, the other cops, we see it in what's called the John Pope video. There are like six other cops in the room.

And after watching that video, I was like, Chauvin is not a police officer. You can't do that to a 14-year-old kid whose mom's drunk. I just saw that he's in the wrong profession. He's got to do something else. And to my mind, this whole thing, the other cops, we see it in what's called the John Pope video. There are like six other cops in the room.

And when Chauvin gets on the boy's neck, and the boy's whimpering like a 14-year-old would. You have kids, right? Yeah. The way that a kid would, who doesn't understand what's going on. Why is this man like beating me up with a flashlight and sitting on my neck because my mom's drunk? Well, it's, listen, again, this is heartbreaking. And the other thing was the other cops all file out of the room.

And when Chauvin gets on the boy's neck, and the boy's whimpering like a 14-year-old would. You have kids, right? Yeah. The way that a kid would, who doesn't understand what's going on. Why is this man like beating me up with a flashlight and sitting on my neck because my mom's drunk? Well, it's, listen, again, this is heartbreaking. And the other thing was the other cops all file out of the room.

And when Chauvin gets on the boy's neck, and the boy's whimpering like a 14-year-old would. You have kids, right? Yeah. The way that a kid would, who doesn't understand what's going on. Why is this man like beating me up with a flashlight and sitting on my neck because my mom's drunk? Well, it's, listen, again, this is heartbreaking. And the other thing was the other cops all file out of the room.

They can't take it. Like they know that Chauvin is a bad egg. Okay.