Malcolm Keating
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4,319 appearances
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first heard Sep 2019
last heard Sep 2024
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The question that I would have to leave us f uh or to move us from this section to the rest is what might you say is maybe the biggest or the most central controversy involving the Dow in the Warring States period and and what was at stake there?
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Yeah, and that brings us right into the second chapter on the state, uh, which is really about political philosophy and and and and to some degree too, as you point out, ethical philosophy.
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These two are not neatly carved carved apart in this context.
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Um so maybe let's step back for for a minute.
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I called this the Warring States period a minute ago, and I'm not sure that we talked about this.
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I think that might be relevant for understanding what's going on in
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in these in these debates.
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Can you tell us a little bit about how s Chinese society was structured then so we can appreciate what's the d the debates about the state?
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Right.
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Yeah, and one thing that struck me in the chapter is the appeal to something like a state of nature in multiple of the texts.
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And typically for people familiar with Western philosophy, that's associated with Hobbes, right?
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Who was in his own sort of warring states uh period, you might say, in the Civil War.
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Um so but how do these thinkers understand
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the state of nature and what do they conclude about it from what the state about what the state might need to look like, what governance should be.
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each one at a time, maybe talk about the different texts.
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That's fine.
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Right, and so taking Shunza uh as a as an example of of this transition, you have these sort of sages, I suppose, who are
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Formulating
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norms, but also importantly norms for ritual.
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So we're not talking about just sort of laws that are passed by uh well it wouldn't be a legislature in this case it would be the handed down by by an emperor, but we're also talking about other sorts of norms, um sort of ritual, uh he talks about music, he talks about sort of um ways of managing people's desires.
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