Mallory Rubin

That was really good.

What if that had been the case and then couldn't do it because the knife's out?

You're so right to call that out.

I agree.

I think it's like...

It makes sense both in terms of that connection to the larger filmography and just in the sense that this is very much at its core a movie about belief and our capacity for belief.

And I love what you're saying about those moments of proof of like a definitive confirmation of something.

inside of thinking about faith, because faith, and I am not a religious person, as I've said many times on many pods, and neither are you, faith is like believing in what you can't see, right?

And what you can't prove.

So like assessing all of that together is fascinating.

I think that the impulse to say something

For Jane to have a journey of evolution where her doubt when she receives this, she's horrified, just as we understand Hugo was, as we know Daniel was.

Very upset to see the footage that she sees of the interrogations and the torment.

But she worries, worries about how the masses would receive this information, what it would do to them, what it would do to their faith.

And I like that phone call to Sister Mara and, as you noted, like, what she says in response about Jane's personal experience with faith and belief, but also more broadly what we should – the credit we should give people for, like, being able to hold many different truths in their mind at once.

I thought it was really interesting.

It's just very, I think –

half-baked.

There could be less of it in the movie, or there could be more of it.

Yeah.