Mallory Rubin

Like, I can't believe you didn't send me anything from the Jonathan episode.

And I was like, I couldn't find, like, a photo to stand in for.

There's no way to isolate a moment.

And then you immediately responded with...

The shot from the credits of him walking toward the camera.

But I want, I'm inclined to say that like nothing could have prepared me for the superstar Jonathan episode, except for the fact that many months ago you introduced Jonathan.

the superlatives that always indicated that many surprises awaited me in the future.

Hardly.

I think it was interesting.

It's a Jonathan episode.

It's interesting because of the – I want to return to what you were just saying about the other people who want to be near or like Buffy because I think that's such an astute and essential observation.

Yeah.

I think this idea of, like, alternate realities across this stretch of episodes was really interesting, too.

And, like, of course, that connects to this larger examination of identity.

Part of, like, the question of who am I is what is my role in the world?

And so if the shape of the world changes... Now, this has been something that Buffy has played with many other times before, right?

Like, Vampire Willow is in our lives for a reason.

So it's certainly not the first time, but...

an alternate reality in which Jonathan is perfect and good at everything and the driver behind all of the moments that protect and save humanity is a version of that.

But, like, the...