Mara Liasson

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943 appearances 21 recordings 3 series first heard Dec 2024 last heard 3 Sep

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The NPR Politics Podcast · Minnesota shooting blurs political lines around guns · 29 Jan 2026 podcast

I think that's really where we're at.

No.

And his message shifting, that's par for the course.

His message always shifts.

And right now, he seemed in the last day or two, he seemed to want to back off a little bit.

But we don't know what next week is going to look like.

First of all, Ruby Ridge is part of the origin story of the anti-government right.

And you can draw a pretty direct line from the reaction to Ruby Ridge on the right to MAGA and Donald Trump over time.

The administration's critics will say that it's not just about changing the policies governing use of force, that causing chaos is part of the program.

that Donald Trump wants to encourage people to self-deport.

They want them scared.

This is what you hear from his critics.

And the big question now is this rhetorical backing off somehow going to lead to a policy change.

We don't know that.

That's a big question.

And I think as long as the ICE agents and Border Patrol agents are told that they have unlimited immunity, there really is no reason to expect that the rules governing use of force are going to change.

Maybe.

I mean, that would depend on if the administration feels it's in their political interest to change them and to change the whole optics around ICE's presence in these cities.

Because we've seen public opinion polls where immigration used to be Donald Trump's best issue.

Now, majorities of people think ICE has gone too far.

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