Marc Brooker

There was too much sort of boilerplate to really use that leverage that you have.

And so I think we're going to see a lot more of those kinds of careers of really kind of building expertise in a technical topic, in a scientific topic, and then be able to turn that into software and software products in a way that

was really difficult before and in some cases wasn't possible before and is now vastly easier.

Yeah, you know, I think, well, I would remind them that, you know,

we as people who hire and build organizations of software engineers and they as people who have, are building software engineering careers have really,

Aligned incentives, right?

It's not valuable to hire a bunch of people and set them up to fail.

Nobody wants that.

It's not an outcome that is good for anybody.

And so, yeah, we're going to need to figure out how do you support people on that path?

How do you help people grow?

learn those things?

How do you give them the right guardrails?

Hey, that first time that you go out and talk to a customer, yeah, it's going to be scary.

My first time talking to an AWS customer was super scary.

But I got a bunch of help with that and I got a bunch of advice and I got a bunch of mentorship and I got a bunch of feedback and I got better and better at that over time.

And I think that's exactly what these things look like is you start off and you start small and

And you learn as you go.

And so that feedback loop goes faster.

And so I don't expect that people coming in from college will come in with all of this knowledge.